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I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by Aeolun »

osigurdson wrote: post #250
duxup wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Immediately a negative impression from me. Doesn't mean it won't sell, congrats to OP, but god I hate everything about Teams. Right now it's showing me calendar items with times that are wrong, they'll switch to the right time in a few minutes... probably. I didn't change time zones, I didn't do anything, it's just something wonky about their new calendar setup. If the time updates I'll click to open the calenda…

This seems to be a very common response. I definitely believe it but Teams seems ok to me - can make video calls and do text chats. That is all I need it to do, really. Maybe I just haven't used Zoom enough to know what I am missing.

Having used better solutions for those things in the past, being forced to use Teams feels like a significant step back.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by silisili »

daheza wrote: post #159
karel-3d wrote: post #137

> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.

Our company is forcing us to drop slack and use teams. It’s going to be terrible. But hey it saves 600k per year. Never mind that our customer experience will become terrible as team communication fails.

I worked at a company that went through this. Honestly, it changed the entire mood of the company and working there. We went from thousands of messages per day to something like 10 (of those channels I was part of, at least). People just hated it, and only used it if they really, really needed to. No more bouncing of ideas around, no more ribbing, just the desperate 'who do I talk to about accomplishing X, anyone know?'

A business owner might conclude 'ah, less time jawing, more time working', but hardly the case. In fact, I think that was a big factor in what ultimately killed the company off a couple years later - through both people literally quitting over it, and a complete breakdown in communication.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by Aeolun »

karel-3d wrote: post #245
daheza wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our company is forcing us to drop slack and use teams. It’s going to be terrible. But hey it saves 600k per year. Never mind that our customer experience will become terrible as team communication fails.

The good thing: When you switch from slack to teams, all channel communications go to 0, because the experience is so dreadful, so you don't get 100 channels to read. The bad thing: it all moves to private messages

Teams realized that nobody was using their channels too. So instead of doing the reasonable thing, they noved all the channels to the chat view now.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by 9dev »

Aeolun wrote: post #311
osigurdson wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a very common response. I definitely believe it but Teams seems ok to me - can make video calls and do text chats. That is all I need it to do, really. Maybe I just haven't used Zoom enough to know what I am missing.

Having used better solutions for those things in the past, being forced to use Teams feels like a significant step back.

I miss slack so much. Their attention to detail makes for a much more enjoyable product, paying for something we get for free with 365… still. I don’t know if Microsoft should be content with a product that’s so awful people literally only use it because of network effects.

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Post by 9dev »

SoftTalker wrote: post #257
duxup wrote: post #177

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People use Teams because they're already using Microsoft office products and it is "free" in that way. Then it's entrenched and folks can't imagine doing things any other way.

Yep. Companies sign up for O365 and then the bean-counters insist on killing any other products that can be replaced by that (if you squint hard enough) because they see it as cost savings.

It’s not about bean counting, though. As a small startup, should you really spend like $15/user/month on a chat app that you get included with your office suite? Try to explain these expenses to your investors.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by fHr »

last company had slack which is way superior to share codesnippets, can some developer tell me what they do about it when they only have shity teams in their company? compared to sharing code over slack it's 10x worse I want to kms every time when in teams u paste a snippet and that shit just goes to one line instead of wrapping like the original snippet that was 3 lines in your IDE ffs

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by 9dev »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #121
jen729w wrote: post #35

Honestly the most admirable part is shipping a Teams app. I’ve been down that rabbit-hole and Je-sus what a horrific experience. Never again.

Can you elaborate a bit? Been tossing around the idea of doing a Teams app. What were the challenges?

Tried to build a teams chatbot for our org. There are five different official starter templates, none of which work, but all use different outdated versions of the Microsoft packages required. They point to documentation that is missing (like 404 missing), outdated, containing code samples that don’t match the SDKs; the build fails after startup, or only works together with a VS Code extension. Tasks require an obscene amount of boilerplate code that is never really explained; configuration options are not properly documented, sometimes the types are broken.

Everything you could imagine being wrong with an enterprise JavaScript package and much more is in that hellish rabbit hole.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by Towaway69 »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #305
andai wrote: post #291

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From using their products it seems they just don't value excellence. I think everything else is downstream of that (e.g. if they did, they'd pay more, optimize the work environment, etc.).

Excellence is threatening to those who have prioritized politicking above all else so they'll actively work against it.

Well said and so true. It’s a pity really since there is so much wasted human energy involved.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by hermitcrab »

x0x0 wrote: post #293
liquidpele wrote: post #263

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Having interviewed many people from there, I can only assume they hire anyone with a pulse and give them major features to write in a language they don’t know.

I'm unfortunately using Teams. It's really such a comprehensive piece of shit. I can't share photos in a channel w/ a customer. Why? No idea. There's no feedback at all. Drag and drop simply fails. Uploads won't go. I went through support and there's 5 different places in the admin to check. All of them seem fine.

I did a Teams call today. Neither of us could work out how to share our whole screen, only invidual apps, which was a massive pain.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by moscoe »

karel-3d wrote: post #137

> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.

Comments like this are the real source of dread on HN. The guy built a successful side hustle that clearly has found a place in the market, and people just want to shit on it and virtue signal how much cooler they are than ms teams. If it’s not for you, move along if you don't have anything useful to contribute.
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