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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Hopefully it comes with an OBD socket you can connect to as with all other cars. That should provide basic diagnostics/stats. No need for "apps".

It's actually not required for EVs - Tesla has started to drop it from recent models. I bet these guys would omit it as well to save money.

Or use it because using an existing standard makes everything that needs to interface with it cheaper/easier.

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The thing about range: it’s always reducing (as the batteries age). And then it also reduces based on factors like temperature. The anxiety is solely from the not knowing.

Yep, and it's something that Slate's marketing doesn't directly address. Before Tesla's brand perception meltdown due to Elon, a major reason why Tesla was much more popular than other brands was because of the Supercharger network, which helped reduce range anxiety worries in the West Coast.

> a major reason why Tesla was much more popular than other brands was because of the Supercharger network, which helped reduce range anxiety worries in the West Coast.

Can't basically every other brand use those now? Between the compatible Tesla chargers and all the other ones through Charge America and charging overnight at home, there is no concern from a daily driving, or even moderately ranged trip, standpoint. The downside to long trips is the 30+ minute wait at each charging stop, not the lack of chargers.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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150 miles of range is pretty terrible, especially when it's winter and you have a load in the back. Suddenly that's 70 miles of range. I get that it's a bargain price, so that's the tradeoff. But a pretty bad one.

I expect an extra battery option will be a thing.

From the ars article:

The truck will come with a choice of two battery packs: a 57.2 kWh battery pack with rear-wheel drive and a target range of 150 miles and an 84.3 kWh battery pack with a target of 240 miles (386 km).

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Very exciting! Electric vehicles have the ability to be very simple, much simpler than an ICE. Although electric can't be 100% analog, I miss the old days when a car has no software updates, no telemetry, no privacy issues, no mandatory subscription for features.

Don't want or need analog: Just don't enshittify the digital! CAN bus is a great system; don't IoT it or use dark patterns.

God no, CAN is horrible and the horrors people working around its limitations have brought into the world are even worse.

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> - Lack of a mobile app. Minimalist design is great, but I still want an app to manage charging and be alerted to any vehicle issues. Noooooooooo! No apps, please ! Finally a car not tethered to and dependent on your phone, and we already have our first request to app-ify it! EDIT: Ughhh, according to the video that another user posted, it looks like there's an app, and yes, "updates" go through it :( > - Lack of go…

> Yes, definitely. It being a 2 seater is kind of a deal breaker for families. What you need is not a pickup truck. Catering to families means expensive bells and whistles, like entertainment systems, etc. > Back in the day, we'd stuff 3 kids between two adults, but these days the Safety People would have a heart attack just thinking about that. Rightfully so. Back in the day we did so many things we shouldn't have,…

> Yes, definitely. It being a 2 seater is kind of a deal breaker for families

I believe I saw there are plans for some sort of SUV conversion.

> Catering to families means expensive bells and whistles, like entertainment systems, etc.

IF it could just get a bluetooth signal from an iDevice or some Android thing, that would probably suffice for a basic option. If the owner needs more than than, let them install (or have installed) some sort of third-party infotainment head of some sort.

Back in the old days, cars sometimes had a single speaker and that was plenty sufficient for listening to music.

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For anyone curious, if you made a similarly sized gas-powered pickup with an i4 engine, it would be penalized more than a full-sized pickup for being too fuel inefficient, despite likely getting much better mileage than an F-150 because, since 2011, bigger cars are held to a lesser standard by CAFE[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...

This is largely why all the vehicles around us have become supersized. It's completely idiotic.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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It's meaningless to compare a small city truck to something like a full-sized truck, they are totally different classes of vehicle. I get that ford doesn't make a small electric vehicle, but that doesn't make the lightning the "closest offering".

A more reasonable comparison is probably the hybrid Maverick, which appears to be popular (at least around here), has 4 doors and actual features, and starts at around $25k.

>and starts at around $25k

I don't think you can actually buy one for that. They were tacking on an extra 10k as soon as they came out and eventually just moved the price up by like $5k and they still generally sell for higher than that.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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For anyone curious, if you made a similarly sized gas-powered pickup with an i4 engine, it would be penalized more than a full-sized pickup for being too fuel inefficient, despite likely getting much better mileage than an F-150 because, since 2011, bigger cars are held to a lesser standard by CAFE[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...

My favorite thing to come out of CAFE regulations was the Aston Martin Cygnet. It was just a re-badged Toyota iQ whose sole purpose was to raise the average fuel economy within their fleet.

Later they made a one off version for Goodwood that has a V8 stuffed under the hood.

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