I'm genuinely just unimpressed by computers and space craft. Sometimes they just won't boot up, or blow up. I also just am unimpressed by wireless 4G/5G internet,... the printing press. (sarcasm)
I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
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Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#312Why do people who don't like using LLMs keep insisting they are useless for the rest of us? If you don't like to use them, then simply don't use them. I use them almost daily in my job and get tremendous use out of them. I guess you could accuse me of lying, but what do I stand to gain from that? I've also seem people claim that only people who don't know how to code or people doing super simple done a million times…
Even outside of work. Two personal examples, out of dozens this week: 1. Asked ChatGPT for a table showing monthly daily max temp, rainfall in mm and numbers of rain days, for Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand. And colour coded based on the temperatures. Then suggest two times of year, and a route direction, to hit the best conditions on a multi-week trip. It took a couple of seconds, and it helpfully split Vietnam at H…
Yes, of course they did that. These things happily do whatever you ask them to. But did it spit out correct information?
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
every time someone brings up "Code that doesn't need to deal with edge cases" I like to point at that such code is not likely to be used for anything that matters
I’m always amazed in these discussions how many people apparently have jobs doing a bunch of stuff that either doesn’t need to be correct or is simple enough that it doesn’t require any significant amount of external context.
In other words, people preaching LLMs are noobs with no real stake in what they are doing. But you can't really call people noobs these days.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#314I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me…
Folks really over index when an LLM is very good for their use case. And most of the folks here are coders, at which they're already good and getting better. For some tasks they're still next to useless, and people who do those tasks understandably don't get the hype. Tell a lab biologist or chemist to use an LLM to help them with their work and they'll get very little useful out of it. Ask an attorney to use it and…
> For some tasks they're still next to useless, and people who do those tasks understandably don't get the hype.
This is because programmers talk on the forums that programmers scrape to get data to train the models.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#315can we stop using such a confusing word as "bullish" please? saying "why are people bullish" only to continue with bullying does not add any clarity to this world
maybe you can ask an llm to explain it.
no, llms are not useful according to this thread. how will we ever verify it's output? it will never be a billion dollar business
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Folks really over index when an LLM is very good for their use case. And most of the folks here are coders, at which they're already good and getting better. For some tasks they're still next to useless, and people who do those tasks understandably don't get the hype. Tell a lab biologist or chemist to use an LLM to help them with their work and they'll get very little useful out of it. Ask an attorney to use it and…
I know at least two attorneys who use LLMs productively. As with all LLM usage right now, it's a tool and not fit for every purpose. But it has legit uses for some attorney tasks.
I frequently see news stories where attorneys get in trouble for using LLMs, because they cite hallucinated case law (e.g.). If they didn't get caught, that would look the same as using them "productively".
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#317I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me…
It really depends on the task. Like Sabine, I’m operating on the very frontier of a scientific domain that is extremely niche. Every single LLM out there is worse than useless in this domain. It spits out incomprehensible garbage.
But ask it to solve some leet code and it’s brilliant.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#318I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me…
It's definitely a tech that's here to stay, unlike block chain/nfts But I mirror the confusion why people are still bullish on it. The current valuation for it is because the market thinks that it's able to write code like a senior engineer and have AGI, because that's how they're marketed by the LLM providers. I'm not even certain if they'll be ubiquitous after the venture capital investments are gone and the servic…
That's not really true. Just the entertainment value alone is already causing OpenAI to rate limit its systems, and they're buying up significant amounts of NVIDIA's capacity, and NVIDIA itself is buying up significant portions of the entire world's chip-making budget. Even if just limited to entertainment, the value is immense, apparently.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
It makes engineers a hell of a lot more efficient and opens up software to a whole new class of people. There is plenty of data to back this up. Based on that alone it’s worth quite a lot.
Are you sure about that? We're several years in now, and have lots of A:B comparisons to study across orgs that allowed and prohibited AI assistants. Is one of those groups running away with massive productivity gains? Because I don't think anybody's noticed that yet. We see layoffs that makes sense on their own after a boom, and cut across AI-friendly and -unfriendly orgs. But we don't seem to see anybody suddenly b…
> We're several years in now, and have lots of A:B comparisons to study across orgs that allowed and prohibited AI assistants. Is one of those groups running away with massive productivity gains?
You mean... two years in? Where was the internet 2 years into it?
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#320I get so confused on this. I play around, test, and mess with LLMs all the time and they are miraculous. Just amazing, doing things we dreamed about for decades. I mean, I can ask for obscure things with subtle nuance where I misspell words and mess up my question and it figures it out. It talks to me like a person. It generates really cool images. It helps me write code. And just tons of other stuff that astounds me…
It's definitely a tech that's here to stay, unlike block chain/nfts But I mirror the confusion why people are still bullish on it. The current valuation for it is because the market thinks that it's able to write code like a senior engineer and have AGI, because that's how they're marketed by the LLM providers. I'm not even certain if they'll be ubiquitous after the venture capital investments are gone and the servic…
Bearish/bullish are relative terms, it describes how you feel about X as opposed to how the rest of the world/market feel.