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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by watwut »

thrance wrote: post #237
flowerlad wrote: post #126

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> Your boy trump did do deliver, is the US now GREAT enough for you yet? Not our boy. Trump was elected by uneducated farmers, not by HN crowd. Almost 78% of farmers endorsed his most recent presidential run. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-farmers-voted-trump-feeling-210...

Farmers are not stupid. Read up on petty bourgeoisie and why they tend to support reactionary movements. Hitler too famously found a lot of support in farmers and small businesses. There are very good material reasons to this.

Material reason that they were more blood thirsty and hateful. More wanting to expand German, annex other countries and happy to turn other nations into slaves. They have seen empathy as a weakness, the same some current politicians do.

Also, they gained about nothing and seem themselves as the victims by the end of WWII. (Yes, literally they have seen themsevelves as primary victims of what happened.)

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Post by tossandthrow »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #284
tossandthrow wrote: post #215

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Last time Nato's article 5 was invoked it lead to Europeans dying in US wars. We need to go back to WW2 for you comment to have any value. I think Americans can thank themselves and nobody else for their people dying in wars.

>Last time Nato's article 5 was invoked it lead to Europeans dying in US wars. US service members represented about 68% of the coalition deaths in Afghanistan and about 93% in Iraq: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghan... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Coa... The expectation for a European war should be similar. Europe should supply about 80% of the effort, since they…

> The point of having a strong military is to deter your enemies, not fight them.

That breaks the premise for this thread which was people lost in war.

> It's really striking the amount of anti-Americanism that comes out of Europe relative to other US allies.

You broaden up the premise from lost casualties in war to the entire relationsship - I think that is multiple PhDs to figure out whether this is anti american or reasonable push back.

I can further open this up an include obvious anti trust malpractice, cultural imperialism, etc., etc. that the US in constantly pushing on the EU (and the rest of the world).

But please enlighten me on how the entire world in against the US, and how badly you are being treated - the country with the absolute biggest economic power and military power.

Cry me a river.

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Post by galfarragem »

MrJohz wrote: post #278
dachworker wrote: post #267

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There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

Can you give some examples of this attitude? I'm not sure I've seen that behaviour anywhere, and it's very difficult to look up examples when your description is so vague.

Lol. Just listen to any ‘opinion maker’ on European media - they whine about it 24/7. They’re ‘not happy’ - to say the least - that the status quo has changed.

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Post by watwut »

sfn42 wrote: post #281
pjc50 wrote: post #204

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Trying to parse a comment where someone implies that nationalism and racism are bad but also that ""woke"" (diluted into meaninglessness by over use) is .. also bad?

It's two extremes. As with most things it's a spectrum, too far to either side isn't great. On the one hand you have racists and bigots, on the other you have people insisting that we should be asking everyone their preferred pronouns before addressing them and men who decide that they are now women should be allowed to compete in women's sports leagues, oh and actually gender is just a social construct because some…

Why is TERF as a term bad when it actually matches the ideology? You have to be against trans and otherwise feminist. Which is exactly what that is.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

concerndc1tizen wrote: post #292
concerndc1tizen wrote: post #145

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There are plenty of pro-Trump users on HN.

My comment being downvoted is interesting. Is it pro-Trump users disagreeing that they are pro-Trump? Or democrats disagreeing that there are pro-Trump users? I've had numerous encounters with people in the comments who were pro-Trump, who basically seemed to support corporate slavery.

The pro-Trump people here all seem to mindlessly repeat stuff they heard on the cringy “All-in” podcast after they read a summary of Atlas Shrugged.

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Post by dcow »

fuzzy_biscuit wrote: post #304
goodcanadian wrote: post #160

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I grew up on a farm. Farmers as a class are not stupid, at least no more so than any other group of people I've dealt with. They do have different interests and priorities than city dwelling people which tend to be better represented by traditionally conservative parties, but that is not an absolute. In Canada, historically, farmers were also responsible for the social credit movement ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

I know I'm being pedantic, but the parent comment said 'uneducated', not stupid, and while it's certainly true that some use those interchangeably, I do not see them as such.

In any event, the GP’s comment still holds. The narrative that Trump is just a populist for the uneducated masses is really really… toxic.

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Post by _zamorano_ »

MrJohz wrote: post #278
dachworker wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

Can you give some examples of this attitude? I'm not sure I've seen that behaviour anywhere, and it's very difficult to look up examples when your description is so vague.

How about the consequences of US proxy wars? Not a word about the reasons mediterranean european countries keep getting floods of displaced refugees.

Maybe if the US stopped bombing their countries, we'd stop getting so many.

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Post by croissants »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #259
epolanski wrote: post #236

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The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?

Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist. China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.

Yeah, The Economist regularly writes these articles that spend half the time praising the intense competition in certain sectors of the economy and half the time bemoaning the influence of state-owned enterprises (or other CCP instruments) in others. It seems to vary a lot by specific industry.
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