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So he said nothing about ADHD.

"to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

The idea is a place for anyone to get off any kind of drug they want to get off of. Note the "they want" part. Who are you to fault someone for deciding they no longer want to take a substance but need help doing so? Or someone trying to help that person?

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post #293

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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc. In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing addera…

You could make the exact same argument about his mention of SSRIs. "Oh, he just means all the people without depression, who are abusing SSRIs." No, you're being intentionally disingenuous here. Obviously, he dislikes the fact that these drugs are being prescribed to patients, and he would prefer it if they were not. I'm sure he imagines that these "farms" would be a better treatment for depression than SSRIs are, an…

Presumably it doesn't matter whether the person has depression or not. All that matters is whether they want to get off a drug and want help doing so.

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That's of course not true in the slightest, but it is the image the new Nazi party is painting. I recommend you stop consuming afd content.

Regarding your knowledge on this topic your recommendation is an insult. Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, I don’t make this up look it up. All kinds of outdoor festivities are undergoing brutal security regulations, making them unprofitable and many don’t even happen anymore because of this. Not even mentioning the knife crimes which are absurdly. Nazi crimes are the lowest they h…

> Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here,

Did you forget (or not hear) the Magdeburg x-mas market car attacker was an AfD supporter and antiislamic? And the Mannheim one was a German gardener with "Reichsbürger" connections?

It doesn't quite make for snappy headlines, so a lot of people never hear these details…

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My sarcasm radar was malfunctioning after reading the parent comment describing our economy as "blooming", my bad. >Such as? Gender ideology.

Does that mean you actually approve of banning something like a Pride event? 'Gender ideology' as a term is awfully vague and not really a thing outside of extreme-right politics. For some this appears to even include homosexuality and expressions of a non-binary gender identity, in addition to acknowledging the concept of gender dysphoria and transgenderism. The way the right-wing Hungarian political parties are usi…

I'm personally not in favor of pride but I don't feel THAT strongly about it to be in favor of banning it either. This is how I imagine most of the country feels. What I was getting at with my first comment is that if our opposition fully owns up to being pro-gender that would torpedo their chance of defeating FIDESZ (which I think is ultimately more important than anything else in country level politics).

>'Gender ideology' as a term is awfully vague and not really a thing outside of extreme-right politics. For some this appears to even include homosexuality and expressions of a non-binary gender identity, in addition to acknowledging the concept of gender dysphoria and transgenderism.

Yeah this is where we are getting into fundamental disagreements. I, and most people I know just flat out don't believe that you can transition into being a woman as a man or vice versa. It's just not a thing. Much like how I don't become a car overnight if I sleep in a garage and make motor sounds. To me the whole topic transgenderism seems like some kind of mass psychosis where people delude first themselves and then threaten others to follow along with their delusion. Sure, wearing a skirt and calling yourself Jane as a Joe doesn't hurt anyone of course, where I draw the line is when this inevitably turns into demanding that others be a part of this farce.

>The way the right-wing Hungarian political parties are using that term to me has nothing to with a critical or conservative stance with regards to transgender healthcare, or healthy public debate. Rather it seems to serve as a deliberately constructed straw man.

It kind of is a strawman. But in a "broken clock is right twice a day" way I have to give this one to FIDESZ. As long as they are preemptively preventing stories like these[0] occurring here, I can't fault them for this one. That being said, I hope TISZA won't give any concessions on this either.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/feb/14/transgender-...

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Thank you. I am in the U.S. and am threatened by these measures. I'm not a member of the IETF, but I rely on their work heavily, and the solidarity is meaningful.

(off-topic but common misconception that should be corrected:) IETF doesn't have "members". You just show up on the mailing lists or meetings and sometimes do productive shit, other times get into massive bikeshedding and almost-flamewars. It works surprisingly well but does have its issues.

People do take you more seriously if you've been around for a while and they know you aren't full of shit, but that's just social dynamics.

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#316

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"to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc. In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing addera…

> Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall",

No it's not the only way, because he's also talking about SSRIs, which have only medical uses (no abuse potential really). Therefore it is reasonable to argue he is also talking about Adderall's intended medical use against ADHD rather than its abuse.

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And since many US airports do not have facilities for 'sterile transfers', people will require a US C1 Transit Visa to travel connecting through US.

Are they hard to get? I’d expect transferring through the US to be significantly easier than travelling into the US for a conference.

For a person deliberately avoiding the US (whether out of principle or otherwise), I can't imagine a trip through customs for a transfer would be acceptable either.

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> I will now spend some time looking up five articles of American citizens detained in some way in Europe and other parts of the world.

If this wasn't hyperbole, I'm interested in the results.

(With a narrow definition of "other parts of the world", some US citizens arrested in Iran won't exactly be a surprise.)

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#319

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Right? This is hacker news, not reddit. Whether one finds their stance silly or not, one should respect that real people are making real decisions to skip a conference. This isn't a meme. Our country is being destroyed and I don't mind some foreigners putting pressure on our society to get our shit together.

Stop with the hysterics. The worst parts of our country are "being destroyed".

It's sickening to know how many people approve of authoritarianism and giving up the United States' leadership in the free world.

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post #147

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> Except the link you're responding to is literally linking to reports of threats to safety. Typically when you break laws in a country, for example violating the terms of a visa, you face consequences. For everyone else, there’s no issue. But none of this is a “threat to safety”. Again, this is activist hyperbole. > We know more than enough to point out that it shouldn't have happened at all. You don’t know any real…

AllSides correctly lists The Guardian as 'Left'. By adding 'far' to your characterization I can only assume you wish to advertise your own biases and / or denigrate the publication. It is a reputable newspaper with a long history of journalism awards - an appropriate example being this: https://www.theguardian.com/gnm-press-office/2023/jun/23/gua...

Left on all sides is far left. It’s as left as their categorization goes. Unless you also agree that breitbart is not far right just because it is classified as right.
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