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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I would like to see a movement more along the lines of "Moving away from cloud services", not just US services. Our computers are faster than ever, internet bandwidth is not a problem, public IPs affordable. Why not self host when possible?

Tailscale makes this easier than ever to do. I'm looking to move most of my Lambda functions off of AWS and into KNative on my Kubernetes cluster at home.

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I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.

I recently had to use MS365 for a short time and I hated every moment.

I found O365 to be much better suited for Windows admins on large teams, IMO.

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> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

I agree that some of the hard parts were glanced over. Besides that, everyone seems to talk about the cloud and nobody about the other big, if not bigger, dependency. Our use of Windows and macOS (and Google Android and iOS if you will) on the vast majority of client devices. If Time and time again, data-sharing agreements between the EU and the US get busted, showing there's just no legal compatibility between EU pr…

I think there were (and are) attempts of replacing at least the desktop systems with some variant of Linux but I think the dependency on Office remains the main problem in doing so - Windows lets you integrate all that pretty seamlessly with how the system works and is administered.

China is probably much more aggressive in this than Europe as for them the US has been a rival (or even enemy) for a long time.

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Can you please write more details about "I block many AI crawlers from accessing code and photos"? The bots are trying to access your nextcloud instance? I'm also self hosting a few services, including nextcloud.

No, not nextcloud, it's the photos on my website. They are CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 licensed, which genAI doesn't respect in any form. I added these in nginx.conf: map $http_user_agent $blocked_user_agent { default 0; "~*AI2Bot" 1; "~*AI2Bot-Dolma" 1; "~*Amazonbot" 1; "~*anthropic-ai" 1; "~*anthropic.com" 1; "~*Applebot" 1; "~*Applebot-Extended" 1; "~*AwarioBot" 1; "~*AwarioRssBot" 1; "~*AwarioSmartBot" 1; "~*Bytespider" 1; "…

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he mentioned also Quad9 - Cloudflare DNS replacement. I didn't know about and will probably switch to it. My other picks: SEARCH: qwant (france) LLM: mistral (france), librechat.ai, openwebui VPN: mullvad (sweden), protonVPN (swiss) AUTH: OpenID (sadly seems like not many sevices implement it) CLOUD: Hetzner (germany), OVHCloud (france) MAPS: here wego, openstreetmap EMAIL: protonMail (swiss), fastmail (australia) DN…

I’m curious about mailbox.org, which markets themselves as “privacy made in Germany“

I think German law makes that impossible - basically you need to assume the government can access your data at any time.

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Looks unrealistic to me. Sure, for one guy with lots of energy and know how its possible. Try migrating academia, industry, entire government branches etc. That's not gonna be easy.

I agree, but on the other hand: it's just software. We just need to build easy few-clicks transitions for the most popular usages. Like Azure, didn't catch up with AWS on day one. They first added the most used features. The US software moat is large, but I bet the most used features of the most used services are easier to replicate.

It's a 2 step process, first you have to rebuild the thing (or most of the thing) yourself, which is already a huge undertaking. Then you need to migrate everyone from their current stack to the new one (or new ones. You probably want to give more than one option).

The migrating might even take longer than the building.

I'm betting it mostly doesn't happen but we'll see.

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What's a good alternative to Proton? Still haven't migrated my business away from Google Workspace, and I was thinking Proton would be a good alternative, but apparently not if they don't even support IMAP/SMTP.

https://tuta.com/

Second Tuta. Their feature list might be limited when compared to Proton or Fastmail, but their core email service is solid.

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A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…

Also the CEO is praising the current Republican administration https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660

You're looking at this in black and white. The CEO praised one of the administrations picks for being tough on big tech. While I think he's wrong in his statement on who stands for "the little guys" praising one pick for her stance on big tech does not mean he wholly supports the administration and it's actions.

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Bribery. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tech-ceos-meta-amazon-don... (the risk is of course that the administration is not stable enough to stay bribed, or intra-oligarch fighting breaks out between Musk and one of the others)

Yes, plus for example helping out with surveillance, finding and stopping dissidents. Fascism tends to be (I read/learned recently) friendly to big corporations, as long as they are loyal to the regime.

Doesn't this just start to go from productive efforts to stupid ones?

Why aren't we all flying on Russian made planes and using Russian cloud products?

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Well, there are no (classical) office tools. There is a text editor, but no spreadsheet. Their "Drive" solution is very mvp, you can collaborate on text docs, but it's very minimal. Email is great, looks great, fast, nice feature set. Calendar is mvp-ish, I can accept invites and they go into the calendar and they have nice links to Teams or Meet etc, pretty seamless. They also have widget for a iPhone now, but it's…

Important to note that the migration works well one way only. If you later want to migrate out it'll be more painful.

Yeah, there are no export tools, but technically it would be up to the other party (like Google or MS) to make those right? When you want to go Proton -> Google ;)

I guess with the bridge you can move your mail uit via imap, the Drive you can just download it all. Calendar will be annoying I think because there are no open protocols like caldav (by design, and I do miss that!!!).

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