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Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #92

Good advice: 1. Never invade Russia in winter. 2. Make sure your robotic lunar lander has a low center of gravity.

when gravity is 1/6, a lower centre of gravity might not do as much as you think

Rotational inertia does not change. Any horizontal V and a landing leg that sticks in the silt is recipe for disaster.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #2

One similarly structured craft (thin and tall) reached the Moon a year ago, and also eventually toppled. Maybe next missions will feature less tower-shaped designs and more crab-shaped designs, at least during the landing phase.

This! Don’t base your designs on 1950’s sci-fi movies with big glistening rockets standing 50’ tall touching down on angled fins.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #280

These 2 failures could have been easily avoidable both times. I really wish there was a push in the US government to create and stockpile plutonium-238 and ensure it's readily available, subsidized, and offered for all US probes/rovers/other scientific instruments in space (whether it be for NASA's use who currently has to ration because of how little they have left, or for private use after approval). Like, why aren…

Reading the title and then your first sentence is the most HN experience.

All they had to do was just...

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #280

These 2 failures could have been easily avoidable both times. I really wish there was a push in the US government to create and stockpile plutonium-238 and ensure it's readily available, subsidized, and offered for all US probes/rovers/other scientific instruments in space (whether it be for NASA's use who currently has to ration because of how little they have left, or for private use after approval). Like, why aren…

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Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #280

These 2 failures could have been easily avoidable both times. I really wish there was a push in the US government to create and stockpile plutonium-238 and ensure it's readily available, subsidized, and offered for all US probes/rovers/other scientific instruments in space (whether it be for NASA's use who currently has to ration because of how little they have left, or for private use after approval). Like, why aren…

Reading the title and then your first sentence is the most HN experience. All they had to do was just...

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Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #280

These 2 failures could have been easily avoidable both times. I really wish there was a push in the US government to create and stockpile plutonium-238 and ensure it's readily available, subsidized, and offered for all US probes/rovers/other scientific instruments in space (whether it be for NASA's use who currently has to ration because of how little they have left, or for private use after approval). Like, why aren…

Reading the title and then your first sentence is the most HN experience. All they had to do was just...

Seriously I started reading that comment expecting to find out the lander only had two legs or something.

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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post #280

These 2 failures could have been easily avoidable both times. I really wish there was a push in the US government to create and stockpile plutonium-238 and ensure it's readily available, subsidized, and offered for all US probes/rovers/other scientific instruments in space (whether it be for NASA's use who currently has to ration because of how little they have left, or for private use after approval). Like, why aren…

Reading the title and then your first sentence is the most HN experience. All they had to do was just...

Spin up a quick national plutonium reserve, takes like 3 minutes, such incompetence

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Good advice: 1. Never invade Russia in winter. 2. Make sure your robotic lunar lander has a low center of gravity.

It's not just the center of gravity. I think people really underestimate how hard landing on the Moon is, because counter-intuitively, the lack of an atmosphere makes things harder, not easier. Landing on Mars (or even Venus (!!) - which is the first other planet we ever landed on) is easy mode by comparison. With the lack of atmosphere is that there is no 'natural' attitude/orientation correction. If you're tilted 5…

So are you saying that landing the lunar lander in 1969 was substantially harder than SpaceX landing its boosters back on Earth?

Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Not a native English speaker here, my focus stopped at the subtitle "Robotic private spacecraft touched down about 250 miles from its intended landing site on Thursday". It feels odd to read "robotic private spacecraft" instead of "private robotic spacecraft" but I can't explain why.

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Re: Athena spacecraft declared dead after toppling over on moon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never invade Russia in winter. I thought it was never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Especially never invade the part of Russia that's in Asia, in winter.

The thing about the more generalized form is that on most of the cases people remember, the invasion started on spring or summer.
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