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Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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Genuine question: what here is illegal?

The executive cannot just unilaterally shut down departments created by acts of congress. That's what makes it illegal.

18F was not created via act of Congress, as far as I have been able to tell. Do you see a source that shows otherwise?

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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Everyone should watch the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russell Vought, speak on government workers: We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because the…

They don't actually know who the bureaucrats are that they want to traumatize. Anyone calling a product manager, UX designer, or software developer at 18F a "bureaucrat" simply has no idea what they actually do. They are just demonizing the scapegoat du jour. Also among these so call "bureaucrats" are psychologists at the VA helping veterans with PTSD; search and rescue professionals working for forest service, park…

> They don't actually know who the bureaucrats are that they want to traumatize. Anyone calling a product manager, UX designer, or software developer at 18F a "bureaucrat" simply has no idea what they actually do.

"Bureaucrat" is always a pejorative for a professional person who works in a bureaucracy. It doesn't mean anything.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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Everyone should watch the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russell Vought, speak on government workers: We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because the…

And I though professor Snyder was dramatic about decapitation strike. Trump will for be remembered as Gorbachov of US

Wouldn't he be Lenin, the guy who turned the country into a cynical police state? Rather than Gorbachev, the guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize and started to end totalitarianism in Russia and the Soviet empire?

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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“The cruelty is the point”

Incorrect. Their goal is to dissolve these agencies, to reduce regulation that burden certain industries.

How is that incorrect? They're deliberately being cruel to government employees so they quit and the agencies are de facto dissolved.

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post #184

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> And given just how fucking fast a dedicated executive can destroy anything it doesn't like, there's literally nothing the Dems could have done to prevent this. It doesn't matter what laws they passed when they had control of government, when the current executive simply doesn't follow the law. Oh yes there is. It's just more radical than they were prepared to admit was necessary. It's things like ramming through th…

Yes, I suppose they can be blamed for not doing something like that when they get a 49.8% mandate. It would also alienate half their voter base, because it actually believes in the systems and due process. (We can also blame them for not imprisoning, quicky and fairly trying, and executing Trump for sedition and treason when they could.)

The thing is that numbers like 49.8% are meaningless because the current system simply does not result in government that is representative of people's interests. There are large numbers of people who don't vote because they feel their vote doesn't matter, and they're right.

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Amazing how the idea of being able to file tax returns online, without paying for a commercial service to do it, is considered far-left extremism in the US. You’d think that simplifying tax returns and reducing costs in the taxation system would be something the right could get behind?

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Most developed countries on earth have an income tax. Do you think they're all part of the same elite deception scam?

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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“The cruelty is the point”

Incorrect. Their goal is to dissolve these agencies, to reduce regulation that burden certain industries.

But 18f? They've been one of the most visible streamliners of government bureaucracy we've seen.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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And I though professor Snyder was dramatic about decapitation strike. Trump will for be remembered as Gorbachov of US

Wouldn't he be Lenin, the guy who turned the country into a cynical police state? Rather than Gorbachev, the guy who won a Nobel Peace Prize and started to end totalitarianism in Russia and the Soviet empire?

This is a very one-sided take, you should ask people on the street of any Russian city what they think of Gorbachev and his policies. I agree with GP with one exception: Gorbachev probably thought he was doing good things for his nation and the actual consequences were unintentional. Probably less so in this case, but I have no desire to tell Americans how to operate their country, so pay no attention to me.

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We’re not going to get to vote again. There is no future, America’s dreaming.

Apathy and nihilism are unproductive, even if current outcomes are bad. Without hope, there is no motivation for change. Act. Do. Vote. Volunteer.

Already did that. Studied climate change, volunteered and served as an officer in the local Democratic Party for years. Did lots of precinct walking, wrote postcards, helped fundraisers, organized protests. Things have only ever gotten worse, and we’re barreling towards +6°C by 2100.

Honestly if people actually voted for Trump after the last time, how could they ever be convinced to change? Maybe we deserve what we get.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

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post #184

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Yes, I suppose they can be blamed for not doing something like that when they get a 49.8% mandate. It would also alienate half their voter base, because it actually believes in the systems and due process. (We can also blame them for not imprisoning, quicky and fairly trying, and executing Trump for sedition and treason when they could.)

The thing is that numbers like 49.8% are meaningless because the current system simply does not result in government that is representative of people's interests. There are large numbers of people who don't vote because they feel their vote doesn't matter, and they're right.

An amazing reform that could be achieved is changing to ranked choice voting from the current first-past-the-post. It'll reduce the incentive for politicians to be radical to stand out, and reassures voters that they won't 'waste their vote' if they put an alternative candidate first.
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