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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Remember, "Poor writing, not specialized concepts, drives processing difficulty in legal language."* You see that here. Mozilla chose to use legalese and not plain language, despite there being a movement afoot to try to push (and in some cases legally require) for plain language in legal documents. This one isn't so bad, since they mostly avoid passive voice and don't needlessly capitalize much. Maybe the low freque…

The term itself is bad here. The problem isn't just because it's hard to understand. > Second clause establishes that when you input that data you give firefox a license to that data which you otherwise own Firefox doesn't need a license, because it's not a legal entity; it's software acting on behalf of a person (the user). Mozilla doesn't need a license to all information input through Firefox, because Mozilla does…

It isn't just software: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/access-mozilla-services...

I will maintain it is an issue of clarity. Your argument is that Mozilla isn't offering online services but this isn't true and clarifying what actions upload information and exactly how that information would be used would mollify this. The list would probably be quite extensive. Moreover, the clause doesn't necessarily give them a license to all information input through firefox and that clarification should be demanded of them.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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I am, unfortunately, looking at alternative browsers because of this. Firefox was the best fit. Big enough that they could reasonably keep up but not one of the corporate browsers that I have 0 trust in. It wasn't perfect but it was better than chrome for sure. Browsers are like cars now. It is becoming impossible to buy a new(er) car and have your privacy respected, but it is unreasonable to expect any normal life (…

LibreWolf? It's Firefox without the Mozilla branding

Any recommendations for an Android Firefox replacement?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#313

I am, unfortunately, looking at alternative browsers because of this. Firefox was the best fit. Big enough that they could reasonably keep up but not one of the corporate browsers that I have 0 trust in. It wasn't perfect but it was better than chrome for sure. Browsers are like cars now. It is becoming impossible to buy a new(er) car and have your privacy respected, but it is unreasonable to expect any normal life (…

Brave is fantastic.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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If you're not blocking your mozilla process from accessing firefox.com, mozilla.com/.org, and mozgcp.net, as well as turning telemetry settings off after every update and keeping a tight policy.json file - then firefox is just as bad as Edge or Chrome re: tracking

Also they actively take down extensions that unfuck websites without notice

Nice picture-in-picture implementation tho

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal trouble for sexuality and violence? I am sorry, in what jurisdiction are their servers? Iran or North Korea?

Porn bans get proposed in the US on a regular basis.

Got to love the (oblivious) american moral superiority

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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post #215

Title is a complete lie/misleading. They get a license, not ownership. Let's dissect what it actually says, and we do it backwards, because given the discussion around this subject it seems like people space out or have their mind clouded by outrage before they get to the end of the sentence: > help you [do things] as you indicate with your use of Firefox. So this already only covers things that you indicate you want…

Given that Mozilla updated their site a couple days ago to remove any wording along the lines of "Firefox will never sell your data to advertisers" when a flag associated with the new Firefox terms of use is enabled (see https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... ), I'm not so sure that this is a CYA about standard web browser usage.

Are lawyers OK with a client doing things like this? Or is this a client you fire?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

People aren't having kids because of stagnant real wages and soaring home prices. In the US, the median home price is now $450k. In Canada, it's $650k. And when people do have children, they're on average having fewer, later in life (with a greater risk of complications): https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnanc...

I doubt banning porn or abortion or engaging in cultural engineering will fix this.

And then there's this phenomenon, discussion of which was once verboten in goodthink circles (like HN) due to its anti-feminist and "incel" optics, but has since grown enough in strength and scale to shove its way through the Overton Window so that even respectable, MSM sources cover it: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo...

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