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Re: Forum with 2.6M posts being deleted due to UK Online Safety Act

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Counterpoint: I read the law and it seems to me that it absolutely does apply to historic content. Ultimately you may be right, but the fact that there isn't a clear answer means nobody without thousands of dollars to throw at lawyers can take that risk.

this is a strange framing because Britain had internet and content laws before these recent changes and people were just fine with the risk that came with running them. Let's be real, for most dead sites this is an excuse for old admins to close the thing down because they got tired of running it. For sites with fewer than millions of users you basically needed to add a contact form and report button. These places ar…

> Britain had internet and content laws before these recent changes and people were just fine with the risk that came with running them

I think it's equally likely that people didn't take them seriously, but each new law has had increasingly dire consequences AND has been increasingly difficult to decipher. So there's that.

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Kier Starmer is (pretty much) to the UK what JD Vance is to the US. Appointed by the head of state. Meets the head of state regularly to be told what to do (wednesdays iirc). Think about what it has taken for you to say what you just said despite those facts. We are also talking about what is still the richest, most most powerful family on the planet. You think Elon musk is rich for owning Tesla and Twitter, these gu…

To say the British monarchy "owns" Canada and Australia is comical

comically true.

its called crown land

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_land

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Then how come the UK has left the European Union? This is a common misunderstanding, but a misunderstanding nonetheless. Any country in the EU has full sovereignty and chooses to exercise it by combining forces with other countries in order to strengthen their combined influence in the wider world.

>Then how come the UK has left the European Union? Are you suggesting that if the European Union were post-Westphalian that the UK wouldn't be able to leave? Not sure how that follows. That the EU is a post-Westphalian system is not a new idea.

fair point, I’m just a bit tired of people falsely claiming countries give up sovereignty by joining the EU. Thought you were making a point in that direction, but today we need to stay together and stay strong.

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It is odd that stirring up hatred is fine, as long as it does not pertain to religion, race, sexual orientation

This is because use of this data could create significant risks to the individual’s fundamental rights and freedoms. For example, the various categories are closely linked with: - freedom of thought, conscience and religion; - freedom of expression; - freedom of assembly and association; - the right to bodily integrity; - the right to respect for private and family life; or - freedom from discrimination.

- freedom of thought - freedom of expression - freedom of assembly and association

Then political views should be protected in the same manner?

Further, would this mean that even mentioning: Problems with child abuse in the Catholic church are forbidden. Problems with LGBT rights in some Islamic groups.

Since both can be seen as spreading hatred of people based on religion.

What about spreading hatred about fat people? Why is that not included?

This response is only intended to point out problems with such censorship as this bill defines.

Spreading or receiving hateful harassment is wrong regardless of the why it should all be banned. Or hateful harassment should be protected under freedom of speech.

To make a law that allows hateful harassment sometimes and makes it illegal in others is inherently not sustainable Since it will almost certainly have to keep expanding as other vulnerable groups are identified and thus deserve equal protection.

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Switzerland has a strong permit system allowing the government to control who can purchase a firearm. Automatic firearms and concealed carry permits are given sparingly and only for a good reason. Basically unlike the U.S. Switzerland doesn't view background checks and permits as a slippery slope to a dictatorship and implements them effectively.

This is largely incorrect or misleading. The US has had strict laws on automatic weapons since the 1930s. Its almost impossible to own an automatic weapon in the US unless you are very wealthy. The Swiss... since the 2000s The US has had strict background checks since the 60s The Swiss.... 1997? Maybe later, the EU forced them to change their gun laws. The questions stands: more Swiss households have guns than the US…

The vast majority of firearm homicides in the US come from three sources. First, the vast majority (60-80 percent depending on jurisdiction) are suicides. After that, you have young minority men with criminal records killing other young minority men with criminal records, usually involving the drug trade and/or street gangs and using firearms which they are largely already banned from possessing. Next after that are homicides which occur as part of domestic or relationship violence.

So for all everyone crows about how likely you are to get shot in America, it's statistically no more likely to happen than the rest of the world unless you're a) suicidally depressed, b) a drug dealer or in a street gang, or c) in a violent relationship.

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i can feel them coming for porn and as someone who is ugly poor and has no interest in interacting with real humans me so sad

I think you're right. The elites want infinite population growth and we're not doing our part, so they're slowly turning the screws.

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why? if you're located elsewhere you can literally just ignore UK/EU law. they don't have jurisdiction over you; worst-case scenario is probably them ordering ISPs to block your site.

While the actual risk is minimal, countries do have reach beyond their borders. For example, if you ever leave your home country to visit a third country, that country could arrest you and extradite you to the country that doesn't like you. Or they could force any financial institution (or even any company) that wants to do business within their territory to stop doing business with you. The EU probably wouldn't do t…

even the UK surely wouldn't risk the horrible PR of extraditing someone from a third nation because a citizen of a completely different country didn't follow their asinine laws. and were the person in question an American citizen, it'd be a massively foolish move for both the UK and whichever nation worked with her.

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Moderation wouldn't disappear, it would just become controlled by the user.

Yes, it would. Any site offering moderation capabilities of any kind would be open to legal attack. That is enough to make it infeasible for any smaller site to have moderation, unless they're big tech of course (which is why they're OK with this)

There's no reason moderation couldn't happen on the users machine.
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