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Re: Fair Pricing

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post #111

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If the streaming services did this, I would probably have a lot more of them.

Then a particular show becomes a hit. And the company hasn't planned hardware for the spike in traffic because no one was using it before.

I hear torrent protocol scales rather well.

Re: Fair Pricing

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post #189

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> Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account. https://kagi.com/privacy

Real privacy oriented solutions REMOVE their ABILITY to keep your data. This is the reason I will probably never use Kagi. I am not logging into a search engine. Period. (I know this is futile,but it's the principle of the thing. And I don't want this to be more commonplace than it already is.)

You might find Privacy Pass of interest then - https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

It should be out in the next day or so.

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post #235

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Calling the invasion of Ukraine and the killing of hundreds of thousands people, targeting kindergartens, hospitals, normal civilians, destabilizing an entire continent --> "politics". "any search source we consider using goes through rigorous evaluation process that considers: result quality, API availability, economic viability, result latency, legal terms, privacy terms, and technical feasibility. the moment 'poli…

"War is politics with bloodshed. Politics is war without bloodshed." -- Clausewitz (I think?)

Comes from Mao, not surprisingly.

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I just disabled it today. I have issues searching for local stuff and the other thing - it works poorly with Safari, which is of course not their fault.

How is them not supporting Safari not their fault?

Safari has a set list of search engines, you cannot add to or remove from the list.

They currently "support" safari currently by redirecting the searches that go to your chosen search engine to kagi.com with an extension.

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I love this - the world needs more of it. Last time I checked in on this, Kagi was bootstrapped. The single biggest motivation for me to make a bootstrapped business, is to make an ethicals busines. This includes ethical pricing, ethical communication, and ethical UX.

They took a little investor money, then spent a big chunk of it on t-shirts lol: https://blog.kagi.com/celebrating-20k

Re: Fair Pricing

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post #297

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Fair enough, but as far as your investors are concerned you're changing the definition of churn. I'm sure if they ask, they'll be provided with "pause" metrics, but such data will never see the light of day in any marketing materials.

A thoughtful investor will be more interested in paid active users and cohort analysis of retention (in terms of actual usage) rather than subscription numbers/revenue in absolute terms. Engagement can always be monetized better in the future.

And they don’t usually ask for number of subscribers, but number of paid subscribers. Startups have played enough games with this that investors should be able to hone in on the right numbers.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service. Keep up the good work guys!

Ditto - I've been a paying user since June 22. I've basically used Google a handful of times since, and been disappointed each time. Well worth it.

Re: Fair Pricing

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post #216

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To be honest, it's insane to me that there's no law about this. If you're a subscription business and you see 0 activity on a paying customer for 60 days, you should be required to ask them whether they want to continue using your service (and no answer should result in service cancellation).

I disagree, because this would force all services to store the time of your last activity, even if they don’t want to track any such data for privacy protection. In addition, it would be prone to accidental cancellations losing you an important account, or the service could just claim you didn’t click the renewal button if for example they want to get rid of unprofitable customers (if you don’t use a service you also…

I feel like the vast, vast majority of businesses that are conducting monetary transactions with their customers are storing, at least, their last login time.

Re: Fair Pricing

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post #280

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War, invasion, terrorism,... take your pick.

Are you under the belief that the US, in which bing, kagi and google primarily operate, has never done anything repugnant? Seems like ignoring that while cutting ties with Yandex because of Russia is a very political move.

Yes, you're completely correct. Kagi seems to have a very good product, it would become better if it would become a "good" company. I do everything to not use any big-tech software and services. In search it seems the options are limited.

Re: Fair Pricing

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post #127

Kagi has popped up a couple of times here recently and looks interesting, but there are a few things keeping me from actually trying it out * I don't trust the product's claims. Sure, privacy and user-centered results sound cool, but literally every company on the internet claims to cater to the user and value their privacy. Kagi can apparently afford to be more specific than usual, but how binding is that? I don't k…

> I'm not going to figure out the US tax system just to know how much I actually to shell out You pay the amount of VAT based on where you live. I agree it would be better to display that on the pricing page though. As for the privacy claims they have a fairly easy to read privacy policy that goes into details about what they do and particularly don't do with your data. There is no vague wording to hide behind.

To be fair, privacy policies are worthless. They could have a squeaky clean privacy policy and still collect data on you illegally. I did request a copy of all my data under the relevant consumer law for where I live, and it looked like they weren't collecting anything they shouldn't^. That's still not a guarantee, but it's better than nothing.

^ They did still have a copy of all my old assistant threads, including deleted ones, but a mate who works there says that was just a bug with the system and should have been fixed. This was about a year ago.

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