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Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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So - for English, I'll use the Jamaican flag. - for Russian, I'll use the flag of South Ossetia. - for German, I'll use the flag of Austria. - for French, I'll use the Malinese Flag. - for Dutch, I'll use flag of Suriname. just see how happy people are with this ;)

Sorry for the shameless plug, but I already made a reusable React component for that in case anybody needs it for their business: Npm package: https://www.npmjs.com/package/react-lang-selecta Source code: https://github.com/MarcAbonce/react-lang-selecta

That "Features included" selection is golden, the "Every file is called index to turn your code editor into a fun maze for the entire family to enjoy." item actually made me laugh out loud.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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no, and they don't need to. a list is fine, you can include the name of the language (localized), a specifier if there are variants of the language, and even the language name and variant localized in itself. Sure, "Español (República Dominicana) - Spanish (Dominican Republic)" might be a bit long but it's still way easier fitting it into a picker than trying to come up with an icon for it.

No, it's not only not easy, it's impossible to fit into your tray icon

Sure but you don’t fill the tray stack with all country flags either, do you?

You need just one icon to open the locale selector, and possibly an other one giving feedback of which one is currently applied. For the latter using a language code looks like a realistic option:

EN

US

FR

BE

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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You're slightly confusing dialects with countries (there can be ones not tied to a single country), but more importantly, this places no hard limit on design, you can have icon variations for dialects as well. (and yes, language switching menus you can't understand are dumb, especially for more complicated cases where names don't even look similar, but unfortunately common)

As they say: a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. And even that criterium quickly breaks down at mild scrutiny. And not just because of landlocked countries. Linguists try to draw some lines in the sand, but in the end the reasons we call Swiss German a dialect and Luxemburgish a language are cultural and political.

I think the language/dialect distinction is not even helpful - all that counts is what people understand.

As a native German speaker, who never learnt Dutch, I can tell you that I understand nl-NL a lot better than de-CH. There is a reason de-CH is subtiteled in German media.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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If you had the choice between "no lawsuits at all" and "lawsuits in random months by random countries for things that can escalate to violence and wars" you wouldn't take "no lawsuits at all"? Even if very few of the lawsuits actually escalate to violence or war, is any risk of violence/war worth it? Ethics would suggest "all my competitors are doing it" isn't a great answer here, either, and certainly doesn't remove…

Ethics don't dictate that you preemptively submit to the demands of bullies just in case they might do something bad if you don't.

Not playing the game at all is very different from playing the game according to the demands and rules of bullies. The only way to win is not to play, just ask WOPR.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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So it's only bad when the Chinese or Russians do it? :)

Surely you can see the difference between trying to deny a group of people their right of self-determination vs. posturing over a stretch of water.

I see that posturing over a stretch of water can easily lead to denying a group of people the right of self-determination.

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As they say: a language is a dialect with an army and a navy. And even that criterium quickly breaks down at mild scrutiny. And not just because of landlocked countries. Linguists try to draw some lines in the sand, but in the end the reasons we call Swiss German a dialect and Luxemburgish a language are cultural and political.

So if your criterium breaks down, you would agree that you can't map every single language/dialect to a country in a neat fr-BE scheme?

Obviously no, 26² makes 676, and number of languages in the world is estimated to be around 4000 and 8000. Given that 26³ is 17576, you would probably start to have something vast enough with scheme like ab-cd-ef.

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https://www.flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog/why-flags-do-not-r...

Doesn't really make a great case. I obviously recognise both the union jack and American flag as "English", and nobody would expect it to mean Welsh. Also there are approximately no people that speak Welsh and not English. It's one of those "yes technically you're right, but actually it still works really well in practice so sod off" things. It's like saying tomatoes should be in the fruit aisle. No thanks. Sometimes…

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Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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Two things: 1) Don’t lie. Apps don’t have to “lie” to do business in America. If someone labels the Gulf as the “Gulf of Mexico”, there’s not really a goddamn thing the Federal Government can do about it except throw a shit fit. The fullest extent that they can enforce this is on contractors making products and services specifically for the Federal Government’s and Military’s own use. 2) Maps apps are probably going…

So it's only bad when the Chinese or Russians do it? :)

I mean if you’re conflating invading and annexing parts of or whole independent nations with the naming of bodies of water and other geographic features, I can’t help you with that one. You’ll need a professional. That’s not even half the gotcha you think it is.

I’m not even one to defend the PRC, but between the PRC, the Republic of China, Korea, Japan, and Russia there’s a lot of land and naming disputes between them.

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Well, maybe that's what the victor will write in the future history books, but since today's mapmakers don't know who's going to win that's not really a helpful perspective.

For each "disputed" territory there is only one party actually in control right now. If you bothered to actually travel to e.g. Taiwan you'd quickly find out that the PRC's opinions are irrelevant.

> For each "disputed" territory there is only one party actually in control right now. If you bothered to actually travel to e.g. Taiwan you'd quickly find out that the PRC's opinions are irrelevant.

If you bothered to actually travel to Ukraine you'd find there are plenty of places where you can get dronestruck by either side. If you bothered to actually travel to the disputed India/China/Pakistan border area you'll find either side might hit you with a stick and take you into custody. If you'd lived in Northern Ireland 40 years ago, or even South Italy today, you'd find that the group that enforces its laws with force in your street might be quite different from the group that is internationally thought to be "in control" of the country you're supposedly part of.

Control is not a binary. There's no country in the world that doesn't have murders, kidnappings, and takeovers. When (as in South Korea recently) there's a group of people outside a guy's house who say they're coming to arrest him under a warrant from the Supreme Court, and he says he's the President and the warrant is illegitimate and they're just a gang of thugs trying to kidnap him, who is in control? There's no way to answer that except retrospectively. When armed men declare independence or a revolution, are they "in control" of an area in a sense that should be shown on a map, or just regular criminals? Again, no way to tell.

I'm quite familiar with Taiwan thank you very much, and yes it's one of the more stable situations (although these things have a way of seeming stable until they suddenly aren't) where one of the claims is rather attenuated and silly. That doesn't mean there's a simple, easy solution to territory disputes in general.

Re: Some flag emojis aren’t working on Chrome on Windows

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sorry but there's no "Cantonese text", both Cantonese and Mandarin are written in Chinese. It's like Java and Scala both compiles to JVM bytecode. (yes I am aware hk people chose to write 粤语白字 in a particular way, because the orthography movement failed in the 70s)

> It's like Java and Scala both compiles to JVM bytecode. Not really, it's more like how both Castlian and Galician people write in Spanish. Spanish is not some magical byte-code that unifies Galician and Castilian. It's Castilian. Galicians just translate their language when they write in Spanish, while Castilians just write the way they speak. Similarly, Written Standard Chinese is not a bytecode, it’s written repr…

> Cantonese people replace 睇 tai² with 看 hon⁴ in writing

OK, since "to see" is a pretty common word, I challenge you to find abandance of evidence where in formal publishing or software UI, every text of 看 was replaced with 睇.

> you can't replace 睇視 [睇视] di⁴shi⁴ with 看視 [看视] kan⁴shi

Yes many people use it here and there but not on software UIs like this topic was discussing. And 睇 is not "to see". It means to see sideways. The meaning of 睇 was defined as in 礼记·内则 like "睇,倾视也。" Why are making shit up to appropriate a Chinese word as some kind Cantonese excluse invention and misleading people.

More importantly, there does exist another type of written Chinese, simplified vs traditional. Would you proceed to argue HK style writing is Cantonese and not Traditional? Or even further maybe Guangdong and Hongkong cantonese are different "language" ?

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