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Post by stickfigure »

teleforce wrote: post #269
jijji wrote: post #256

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It's probably the lack of understanding the market... Most people thought there was a ban (issued by the US in 2022) against China being able to utilize the H100 Nvidia graphics cards to prevent them from using AI (for the obvious purpose of oppressing their people). If anything, export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole.

> export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole US is the prominent trade freedom proponent champion until it does not suits them Also US is the prominent democracy proponent champion until it does not suits them And also US is the free speech freedom champion until it does not suits them

"US" is not a monolithic mind.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by dang »

pinoy420 wrote: post #199
AlexClickHouse wrote: post #151

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ClickHouse does not allow external connections by default. If someone wants to configure an unauthenticated access from the Internet, they have to do the following extra steps: - enable listening to the wildcard address; - remove IP filtering for the default user; - set up a no-password authentication; It is possible to ignore and turn off all guardrails that the system has by default, but it needs extra efforts. How…

Thanks for your insight. I got ratioed to fuck for trying to defend the standpoint that this is an unusual expectation of a regular engineer to stand this up correctly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42873134

If you're referring to the downvotes on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42873211, I think that comment would have done better if you had omitted the swipes, as the site guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

e.g. "You are, in typical HN style, minimising the problem into insignificance" and "love how this is getting ratioed by egotistical self confessed x10 engineers". This is the sort of thing commenters here are asked to edit out of their comment, and when they don't, it's correct to downvote them (even though your underlying points may otherwise be correct).

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by Timwi »

denysvitali wrote: post #144
impulsivepuppet wrote: post #127

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It might seem less credible to encounter English in a place where it’s less expected, but think of it this way: would a Yandex-developed ClickHouse database be adopted by Chinese devs if everything in it were written in Russian? There is some merit in asking your question, for there’s an unspoken rule (and a source of endless frustration) that business-/domain-related terms should remain in the language of their orig…

In the wild I've seen a company returning a JSON key "ankunftTime" in one of their APIs

Anyone remember T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM?

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Post by ziofill »

m00x wrote: post #245
mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

The hit on NVidia's stock price makes no sense to me. DeepSeek uses H100s and H800s. They'll likely have reasons to buy more now, and America will want to compete even harder, buying more chips. American companies are still way ahead as well, but they're just getting more competition. This will be healthy.

Arbitrage opportunities :)

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Post by dang »

lysace wrote: post #121

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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, regardless of which country you have a problem with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by potsandpans »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #298
sho_hn wrote: post #255

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> How is this a "threat". Given how closely major US tech companies are now affiliated and partnered with the US Federal government, arguably the direct potential threat from them to US citizens may well be higher than from across a very big pond. People trot out "I'd rather our guys spy on me than them" a lot, but that's putting a lot of faith in your local government. Conversely, who do you think has more to fear f…

DeepSeek is more affiliated and partnered with the CCP than US companies are with the US government. Their LLM includes literal government mandated censorship and propaganda. Their CEO met with the premier the other day. And obviously the CCP will be using this tech for military applications very soon. But Chinese citizens themselves will also be further controlled and suppressed through the extensive use of AI and r…

> DeepSeek is more affiliated and partnered with the CCP...

Given what we know about the PRISM program, it's a distinction without much difference.

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Post by sho_hn »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #298
sho_hn wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is this a "threat". Given how closely major US tech companies are now affiliated and partnered with the US Federal government, arguably the direct potential threat from them to US citizens may well be higher than from across a very big pond. People trot out "I'd rather our guys spy on me than them" a lot, but that's putting a lot of faith in your local government. Conversely, who do you think has more to fear f…

DeepSeek is more affiliated and partnered with the CCP than US companies are with the US government. Their LLM includes literal government mandated censorship and propaganda. Their CEO met with the premier the other day. And obviously the CCP will be using this tech for military applications very soon. But Chinese citizens themselves will also be further controlled and suppressed through the extensive use of AI and r…

> Their CEO met with the premier the other day.

While I agree with you overall ... have you heard of Mar a Largo?

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Post by sho_hn »

khazhoux wrote: post #278
sho_hn wrote: post #252

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I'm wary of engaging in false equivalence, but people seem to have really forgotten the revelations of the Snowden episode.

which was what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

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Post by lysace »

dang wrote: post #315
lysace wrote: post #121

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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for, regardless of which country you have a problem with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Well, yes, but I don't think I did.

Edit: Also: these things need to be discussed. Or can't they?

Did you rate limit me for this?

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

amlib wrote: post #304
jijji wrote: post #279

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I can understand your argument, but I also understand why the US would try to ban an oppressive regime who specifically use technology like AI for ubiquitous surveillance, behavior monitoring and social credit, facial recognition systems that can identify Uyghurs and alert authorities, internet monitoring (they arrest people every day for writing banned words on WeChat for example)... I think it's probably fine if th…

Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians. It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of…

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