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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by selcuka »

maxerickson wrote: post #120
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

One not particularly obscure theory is that Netanyahu was prioritizing Trump coming to power over a peace/hostage deal and now that Trump has power, Netanyahu seeks to benefit from prioritizing the hostages. Trump is claiming credit for it and probably doesn't care about the timing.

Not obscure at all, as it wouldn't be the first time a hostage situation is used for a presidential campaign [1]:

> The timing of the release of the hostages gave rise to allegations that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the 1980 United States presidential election to thwart Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis#October_Su...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by rvz »

Why did it take for the incoming arrival of a new US president (Trump) and for the existing president (Biden) to LOSE to get this ceasefire deal to happen when the first proposal was rejected? [0]

Of course it "needs to be take longer" since lots of money was made by government contractors in this war and why would it need to end earlier if Biden was throwing money on Israel instead of reaching a ceasefire deal much earlier with the first deal.

All would have been avoid had it not been for Biden's weak leadership which was shown on display in-front of the world for the last 4 years.

There is no denying or spinning that.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-mediators-sea...

EDIT: Of course no-one can begin to answer this question, since the answer is there was no reason to prolong this war.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by robertoandred »

smashah wrote: post #240
vFunct wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is what happens when there is an unchecked Affirmative Action program for zionists in many industries like tech and Media. Microsoft employees get fired for calling for a ceasefire meanwhile their Israeli counterparts get to gloat about continued slaughter of children with a mere investigation, in Apple, they provide extra support for employees doing time for the IDF while Palestinian employees get fired and Mus…

Meanwhile, Cornell still employs the professor who called Oct 7 exhilarating. How would you describe that?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by vFunct »

UltraSane wrote: post #195
vFunct wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Social media showing people how incredibly biased traditional media is towards Israel" I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel. "Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys" The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "th…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ceejayoz »

alex1138 wrote: post #300
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Yeah, sure, it's all Israel's fault, after the 1200 people slaughtered on October 7

There was, at the very least, a massive intelligence failure.

Responding by killing tens of thousands of civilians is on them a bit, too.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by whycome »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #148
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire including the return of hostages. Then if they decide to break the ceasefire and go back to relentless bombings, Trump will still continue to support them. So it could be a tactic to get Hamas to release whatever hostages are still alive, then get right back…

Wouldn't trumps best course of action have been to wait two weeks and make it seem like it was all because of him?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Trasmatta »

rvz wrote: post #312

Why did it take for the incoming arrival of a new US president (Trump) and for the existing president (Biden) to LOSE to get this ceasefire deal to happen when the first proposal was rejected? [0] Of course it "needs to be take longer" since lots of money was made by government contractors in this war and why would it need to end earlier if Biden was throwing money on Israel instead of reaching a ceasefire deal much…

What a bizarre comment. We don't have a new US President until next week.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by alex1138 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #315
alex1138 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sure, it's all Israel's fault, after the 1200 people slaughtered on October 7

There was, at the very least, a massive intelligence failure. Responding by killing tens of thousands of civilians is on them a bit, too.

It depends on if you believe Hamas's numbers, which is dubious

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by UltraSane »

kelthuzad wrote: post #303
UltraSane wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Social media showing people how incredibly biased traditional media is towards Israel" I learned how incredibly biased social media is against Israel. "Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the good guys" The same Hamas that murdered over 200 young people at a concert on Oct 7 2023? And paraded the dead body of a woman like a hunting trophy. The one thing that Hamas is NOT is "th…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ceejayoz »

alex1138 wrote: post #318
ceejayoz wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was, at the very least, a massive intelligence failure. Responding by killing tens of thousands of civilians is on them a bit, too.

It depends on if you believe Hamas's numbers, which is dubious

No one doubts Hamas’s numbers. Israel doesn’t really contest them and they’ve been accurate in the past. https://www.vice.com/en/article/israeli-intelligence-health-...

> Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministry’s statistics are manipulated.

Looking at photos of the area makes it pretty clear, too. You don’t raze that many buildings bloodlessly.

If anything, it may be an undercount. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna187100

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