Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

Post by junon » Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 9:38 PM UTC

adamc wrote: post #298

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #259

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It's not even brain drain, America's dominance came from the fact that for nearly a century the brightest people in the world were willing to give up everything to come here. That is no longer the case. Today's Einstein probably isn't going to immigrate here.

Einstein didn't emigrate to get rich, he emigrated because the Nazi's took over Germany. Germany had the best universities in the world before they took the path of self-destruction. So that was a second, separate event that helped America. America stills gets a lot of immigrants.

Post by wbl » Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 9:38 PM UTC

brickfaced wrote: post #305

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It's not even brain drain, America's dominance came from the fact that for nearly a century the brightest people in the world were willing to give up everything to come here. That is no longer the case. Today's Einstein probably isn't going to immigrate here.

The US didn't win World War 2, break the sound barrier, or put a man on the Moon only or primarily due to immigrant workers. We scoured the country's public school system for the sharpest young minds, sent them to institutions of higher learning with rigorous curricula, and found them positions in industry, government, or the military which made good use of their talent. Fetishizing the "nation of immigrants" narrati…

Post by adamc » Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 9:39 PM UTC

kombine wrote: post #277

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #263

I like the idea of made in America and bringing manufacturing self sufficiency to the US. But I don’t like the idea of reducing dependency on Taiwan, which makes it so that the world may ignore their plight in face of increasing aggression from China. The CCP is an authoritarian dictatorial government that seeks illegitimate control over Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, and other areas. They need to be stopped and…

The world will will not be able to help with their plight, just as it was not with Ukraine and more recently Palestine. Might as well secure the supply chain.

Post by wbl » Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 9:40 PM UTC

jopsen wrote: post #248

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Definitely true, as there weren’t EE jobs here. Now that we’re moving chip manufacturing back, and with programming job market being saturated, perhaps it will shift and EE will pay more due to being more in demand

I suspect the kinds of salaries that's possible in Silicon Valley only happens because: (A) Skills are fairly transferable. (B) There is a lot of employers competing for workers. (C) An awful lot of value is created along the way. If you specialize in some tiny part of chip manufacturing, there aren't many places you can transfer your skills. Even if, in the future, you have multiple chip vendors. They won't all use…

Post by brailsafe » Tue, Jan 14, 2025, 9:41 PM UTC

whateveracct wrote: post #247

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Alternate explanation: electrical engineering is actually really hard and some parts of computer science look comparatively easier. Plus coding is startups is cool, EE is still nerd as in Nerd.

Nah I did EE and then CompE (which was just replacing some later EE classes with hardware design stuff) and EE is not "actually really hard" - although people like to put it on a pedastel.