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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by riehwvfbk »

Loudergood wrote: post #152
riehwvfbk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are just arbitrary attributes rather than a serious reflection of someone's character? Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Republican == Nazi (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.

Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Blue Collar == Republican (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.

You don't even believe this yourself, and are just trying to come up with a pithy comeback. Sorry, this one fell flat. The celebration of the Republican triumph definitely does not look like backpedaling. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.

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Post by nhod »

quotz wrote: post #237
mtalantikite wrote: post #176

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This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of dr…

Brooklyn Mirage is hardly a rave place, just a club. Went last year it was pretty terrible. The sound was so quiet I could talk with my gf without yelling. There was also a food vendor inside the venue for whatever weird reason. Paid $300 for tickets and 2 drinks. I heard basement is a good place but never been. Europe's techno parties and raves are still going strong and no food vendors inside ofcourse we are not th…

My understanding is that Brooklyn Mirage was engineered specifically to be both loud and at the same time permit a conversation with the people next to you, so your experience is a feature, not a bug. I think we’re all just not used to having that level of thoughtful engineering with that design criteria, so we just associate “too loud to talk” with “good.” I found the experience to be remarkable.

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Post by riehwvfbk »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #121
riehwvfbk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are just arbitrary attributes rather than a serious reflection of someone's character? Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Republican == Nazi (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.

I don't think this is entirely true. Most people are normal, but if I'm a woman dating a young conservative man. That conservative has a non-zero chance to actually believe shit like "your body, my choice." Probably don't want to be dating that guy. It's not a guarantee, but a danger signal.

Upvoted you, because opinions should be safe to voice even if one disagrees with them. This does appear to be a common concern. I also happen to know many families that vote Republican where the woman also happens to "wear the pants".

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

Can't see the article but I imagine a big part of it is a combo of clubs continually being booted to new locations in cities to the point you kind of have to get tickets in advance for one place or run the risk of going there, being turned away and having absolutely nothing else to do in the area. To battle this there's loads of venues that seem to almost exclusively do shows that end near midnight and I've never been to one that wasn't completely devoid of atmosphere (hard to enjoy the music when the people next to you are talking at length about some work deadline they have).

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Post by ghaff »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #290
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

I think we could say that covid killed a lot of these activities (some were already in decline, but covid delivered the final blow). GenZ just happened to be coming of age during the pandemic years and thus prefers to stay home as they see that as normative. Millennials are past the rave stage as they're getting into their 40s.

I hesitate to write a lot of things off to COVID because, if you look at some presentations/papers from early on in the pandemic, a lot of things probably changed less than the "experts" thought they would. That said, I also see various things that were on a downward trajectory or cruising on momentum being given a downward shove by COVID.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

marssaxman wrote: post #295
s1artibartfast wrote: post #284

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Im not sure I follow your point. What does demand have to do with zoning? I agree that if you remove zoning, many areas of single family homes would be built up if they are in and around urban cores. That isnt new demand, but existing demand, not able to be expressed by current law. However, my point is that if your [random small town] job paid the same as NY or SF, you would see a flux out of those cities to the sma…

You appear to be asserting that the demand for suburban-style low-density housing is naturally quite high, and that many people who live in cities are merely settling for less-desirable dense urban housing, as a sacrifice they must make for a higher income. I counter that if this were the case there would be no need for single-family zoning, because people would naturally choose such housing whenever possible, and th…

>I counter that if this were the case there would be no need for single-family zoning, because people would naturally choose such housing whenever possible, and the market would respond.

This mistakes the price one person can pay for a piece of land with the price many people can pay to to use the same land. A single family home does rent for more money than a condo if they are on the same block in the city.

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Post by _whiteCaps_ »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #247
apwell23 wrote: post #209

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why doesn't someone introduce a legislation to tax vacant second homes at astronomical rates

Do you like all your Capital fleeing to other countries? Because that's how you enrich Canada, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Lichenstein, etc at the USA's expense.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/speculation-vacancy...

We already have speculation tax in Canada.

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Post by throwaway019254 »

I realized that it's impossible to find clubs that serve alcohol till morning. The laws are more strict nowadays.

Most of the raves I attend now are on indigenous lands, it's definitely not mainstream, and I can party till morning.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

mrguyorama wrote: post #282
zamfi wrote: post #222

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> China built enough homes to house its population twice over, yet it's not reflected in the prices. All because everyone and their grandma is investing in real estate. Yes, but this is reflected in China's vacancy rate: 22% by some estimates. In the US, home vacancy rates are sub-1%. Not saying people aren't treating homes as investments, but it seems clear we also have a supply issue. "Real Estate is Investment" sh…

>"Real Estate is Investment" should naturally lead to overproduction as investment-only properties get built to satisfy that demand—as we see in China China had massive home overproduction because the goddamned totalitarian government told builders to build or else . It was not market forces. How do you suppose we do that in the US? Especially with this administration? In the US, builders don't build 100 starter home…

In China, the local government gets income from leasing new construction land for 99 years, hence the incentive to build.

In the US, the largest amount of government land is held by the Feds and they keep increasing the limits on what the land can be used for year after year. Figure out how to make new home building key to government finances like in China and you will INSTANTLY have the problem solved and even have over supply.

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Post by MrJagil »

rramon wrote: post #267

There are a lot more cool Techno festivals going on though, e.g: https://youtu.be/OCyJNS8frn8 A clubbing lifestyle where you're out every weekend isn't healthy, but festivals on weekends every other month are doable. Society seems much more health aware these days due to social media and the web in general.

wow, what a set. thank you.
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