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Re: Perplexity got ads

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$5 is practically nothing. $2 is just not worth the cost of the CC charge. I think it’s really convenient that you can pay for extra searches, as you never have to worry about actually running out. They also need to be able to pay for the servers that run searches.

$5 is nothing for Americans. Here in Spain with much lower purchasing power it's considerable and there's VAT added too.

So how long do you usually consider whether you're spending $5 or not?

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VC funded companies are into the trillions of total investment (100+B / year adds up). That’s a small but meaningful fraction of global wealth for such a tiny slice of companies. It’s not that these are necessarily bad investments, but growth at any cost tends to suck up a lot more talent than the business actually justifies. Of course the industry is mostly dumb investments. Looking back Google+ was part of a wave o…

Yeah, they're into trillions, but aren't they like 5% of most pension funds, which are the biggest stores of wealth? Also, if you're looking at trillions invested, I'd hardly call them startups or speculative investments. It's certainly true that something like OpenAI or Uber spent (and still spend?) many years without making profit, but by the time they're raising rounds of billions, it's no longer anywhere near the…

It's speculative until there's a steady stream of profits paid out to investors. I wouldn't say that the size of the investment or of the business makes any difference in that aspect.

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Interesting that the ad is for TurboTax of all things. As a non-user, would Perplexity attempt to answer the question of "Why is TurboTax the best tax filing software?" with a response that cites the many efforts TurboTax has made to block a free public alternative? TurboTax’s fight against free tax filing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31072202

It’s so weird that Perplexity decided to go with sponsored posts/results for their first rollout of ads.

It’s not very congruent to what they’re known for.

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$5 is practically nothing. $2 is just not worth the cost of the CC charge. I think it’s really convenient that you can pay for extra searches, as you never have to worry about actually running out. They also need to be able to pay for the servers that run searches.

> $5 is practically nothing That’s quite a privileged thing to say. This forum is read by folk all across the world and I would say that it’s up to each individual to say how much $5 means to them.

$5 was barely anything even when I was a student. Sure, there’s places in the world where it’s still a lot of money, but (good) search is a valuable service. Google proves that.

If someone does not want to pay $5 then they’re perfectly within their rights to do so, but saying it’s “a lot of money” feels like pinching pennies. By comparison to any other plan that’s practically the lowest you’ll ever see.

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Have you used ChatGPT with "internet" access enabled (the globe icon)? It can and does cite its sources and is surprisingly accurate and useful.

This is very recently free, and I find less sources than you.com or perplexity in my experience.

Quality over quantity perhaps? Can't see why you'd want _more_ than about 3-5 sources returned each time. Anything more is information overload and defeats the purpose of being able to vet the claims in a timely manner.

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for each Kagi search they hit APIs of other search providers etc., so they need to cover that cost.

Except for these types of services scale is in your favour. A bakery has a high cost of goods sold, whereas services like this tend to have high fixed costs but relatively light costs per customer. So scale is very much to your advantage (within reason).

because they have to pay for queries to other APIs for each search, COGS is relatively high I think, which is counterintuitive for a web product like this.

my sense is their fixed costs are relatively low.

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ChatGPT has ten million paying users.

And at some point someone will say “we can increase revenue 10% by putting ads in” and the goose will survive because most people dont care I cancelled prime and stopped sending amazon about £600 a year when they added adverts. They don’t care because 100 other people didn’t and they got an extra £10 a year from pushing them adverts. Companies can’t resist the double dip, and the majority don’t care.

I hate the double dip. Apple seem to have resisted it, to be fair.

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$5 is nothing for Americans. Here in Spain with much lower purchasing power it's considerable and there's VAT added too.

So how long do you usually consider whether you're spending $5 or not?

It's not about how long, it's about how often you decide not to do it. Which for me is pretty often.

$5 is not one coffee here. It's about 4 coffees in a coffee bar. And that $5 is without VAT so that's enough for another coffee :) So basically it's a whole working week of morning coffees. To put it into perspective.

This is why I think it has more chance to take off in America than here. Though northern European countries do have a lot more money.

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Most of the people that object to ads that interrupt content are objecting because of the interruption and not because of a fundamental stance against ads.

ads by their very nature are interrupting. no one open the browser or turns on tv or … sayin “what a fine fucking day to watch some ads” hence it is the ads - not the “interruption” that most people are against (s/most/all)

Someone else mentioned magazines. I would say that ads in magazines do not interrupt, and you'll also see that very few people fuss about them. Your average banner or search ad doesn't do much interrupting as long as it's not filling half the screen; not harmless but it's on the less bad end. Ads on radio and video interrupt quite a lot, and the really massive interruptions happen when video ads take over the screen during live streams and you miss whatever happened while they ran.
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