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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.

TBF, those are 2 EU languages.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Yes this is where I split from my fellow leftists. I will not allow a parallel society to exist. The daughters of Indian parents will be granted the same rights as those of Western parents. There will be no dowries and no caste system.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Wacky idea. The EU is an awful lot of legislation to sign up to, not the most popular it's even been either. If it's just about trading space and resources for people I'd imagine a more bespoke arrangement would be preferable for both sides.

Despite the critics, many countries have signed up and would like to, and only one has left. Why is EU membership so much in demand?

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Gonna tell you a secret, the world isn't black and white, while there are areas such as the economy where we struggle to compete as an European I would never want to live in the US again (I studied in Columbus Ohio for 7 months as an exchange student at OSU and traveled US multiple times). The streets here are clean, spotting a homeless person is borderline impossible even if you try, in US I've seen tents, bidonvill…

With respect to your lived experiences, as a fan of the US I would just like to say that it is a country of 330m+ whose physical presence spans a majority of a major continent, so I would encourage you not to generalize us based on what you saw in Columbus. That would be like me visiting Paris (a city I particularly did not enjoy) and generalizing all of Europe!

>whose physical presence spans a majority of a major continent,

I take your point, but this part isn't true. Canada is a little larger, and then there is also Mexico which is about 1/2 the size, so US is roughly 2/5ths of North America.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Wacky idea. The EU is an awful lot of legislation to sign up to, not the most popular it's even been either. If it's just about trading space and resources for people I'd imagine a more bespoke arrangement would be preferable for both sides.

Not to mention the bureaucrats at Brussels are not elected!

Wrong

The EU parliament is elected and the EU council is indirectly elected.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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I guess that one can find a political definition of Europe that is lax enough to justify inclusion of these countries if so motivated. Turkey is formally in (suspended) membership negotiations and a major discussion point was that most of its land area is not on the European continent. Redefining Europe to include Canada would be outright ridiculous. The Union would have to redefine its own identity if it wanted to a…

> Turkey is formally in (suspended) membership negotiations and a major discussion point was that most of its land area is not on the European continent. Would the that be a discussion point if Turkey had a well functioning democracy? Solid economics? Didn't have the death penalty? Found some sort of resolution to conflicts on its borders?

> Turkey had a well functioning democracy

Turkey has a functioning democracy it's just that most of the population loves populist rhetoric. Erdogan's party lost mayoral elections in all the major cities.

> Solid economics

Turkey had a GDP PPP of $3.45 trillion in 2024 (12th in the world)

> Didn't have the death penalty

Turkey doesn't have the death penalty.

> Found some sort of resolution to conflicts on its borders

The conflict in Syria is resolved in Turkey's favor. The potential conflict with Greece is a different issue though.

I don't think Turkey's EU application being in limbo is because of whatever excuse EU politicians can conjure up at any moment in time. It's because Turkey, if accepted into the EU, would be the most populous country, the biggest country by landmass, the most powerful country militarily, and the youngest country in the EU. Turkish agriculture and manufacturing would be a lot more competitive compared to EU products.

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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Yes this is where I split from my fellow leftists. I will not allow a parallel society to exist. The daughters of Indian parents will be granted the same rights as those of Western parents. There will be no dowries and no caste system.

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Expired: Northern California should become its own state I miss the wired/tired/expired lists greatly. Wired from 2000-2010 was a high-quality publication.

A bunch of states ought to get split into multiple because it would result in a better mapping of state governments to economic and cultural lines and result in better representation for all parties on the state level. Of course it will never happen for a multitude of reasons

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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With respect to your lived experiences, as a fan of the US I would just like to say that it is a country of 330m+ whose physical presence spans a majority of a major continent, so I would encourage you not to generalize us based on what you saw in Columbus. That would be like me visiting Paris (a city I particularly did not enjoy) and generalizing all of Europe!

What of this is not true for the rest of the country then? I haven't visited at all but what the comment above you mentioned (basically the woes of limited social mobility, bad employment terms including tying healthcare to it if you're not rich, insane incarceration, etc.) is the kind of stats and stories I'm familiar with. The country does some things well also, as the commenter above also said, but it's not a plac…

10%?!? That's not grounded in reality - only ignorance, maybe prejudice.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Generally, countries with expanding economies and a lot of physical space do not have issues with immigration. The US has its problems, but the argument generally has been over the extent of immigration, and not against immigration entirely (minority extremists notwithstanding). Canada is interesting in this regard, because it has a lot of land but a contracting economy.

There are only two countries on Earth that have a lot of physical space and expanding economies. As you admit, “The US has its own problems”, so it is not successful, and Australia too. So it is never welcomed by citizen, both the lowly and the H1B-level. Also what do you mean with “lot of physical space”… May I remind you that this space is empty because, in both country, we have killed the locals. I’m afraid you ar…

> As you admit, “The US has its own problems”, so it is not successful

That's not at all what I was saying. I believe the US is wildly successful in integrating immigrants, since it is a nation of immigrants after all. Even the native population, which, despite what you said, was not entirely "killed". The indigenous population today owns a significant portion of land in the US and many tribes benefit significantly from using it or leasing it out (speaking from personal experience, the Agua Caliente and Apache tribes). Whether or not those tribes are "flourishing" is another fascinating story, but they certainly have the resources and potential.

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