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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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I installed it and it's a giant floating popup that's permanently on your screen. You can enable the "minimal" theme in the settings to turn it into a smaller-but-still-big pill shape. It doesn't look like there's a way to hide it in a context menu, at least not one I can see. I don't fancy having a random floaty object in the way of my webpages, no thank you. Edit: It appears to go away occasionally. This UX is uncl…

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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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>Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service It is just Mozilla have a tendency of chasing hype rather than focusing on what they are doing. During early smartphone era they spend most of the resources trying to write an OS with Javascript ( Firefox OS ) that works on a $35 Smartphone. Now they are doing it again with AI. Although this time around Firefox is in fairly good…

During early smartphone era they spend most of the resources trying to write an OS Most of Mozilla’s resources have always been spent on Firefox. There was never a cycle where most of Mozilla’s resources were spent on FirefoxOS. But they need to figure out a way to generate revenue rather than relying on Google. The percentage of revenue from Google has fallen every year since 2016. Mozilla Corporation had a 33% prof…

> The percentage of revenue from Google has fallen every year since 2016.

"Fallen" is too strong a word: Google still provided 81% of Mozilla's revenue in 2022.

This share probably decreased in 2023, but that's mostly because the revenue increased by $40M thanks to financial operations (see "Interest and dividend income" in Mozilla's annual report for 2023).

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Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.

In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock Origin issue should be a major concern for tech-savvy Chromium-based browser users.

Better does not mean good. Quantum indeed fixed many of their old performance-problems, but at the same time they lost so many in terms of ability, and performance still feels second rate compared to Chrome. But to be fair, this also depends on what you do with them. And yes, I do use them both.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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What's wrong with Firefox?

It could have been nice to see the Rust rewrites finished instead of shelved due to costs. AI is very expensive so if they have the money for this, they could've probably started that up again. Firefox is generally good feature wise but Google gets to almost usurp the W3C because pretty much every other browser is using the Chromium codebase over Mozilla's.

What value would a rewrite in rust bring?

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I think Mozilla is doing a great job.

I really don't get the comments that they should not focus on anything else than the current browser.

If other browsers start adding llms, I bet those same people will start complaining that Firefox is outdated compared to those browsers in about a year.

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This might be true for any run-of-the-mill service, but I do give Mozilla upfront credit as an entity and Firefox's privacy-leading track record. I haven't read the fine print, but I would be very surprised if there wasn't a robust layer of privacy/anonymisation involved. (Side note: I think the future is in-browser LLM (a la Gemini Nano), so I suspect they will eventually move there.) Also consider that Apple has th…

Mozilla's privacy-leading track record includes making Google the default search engine, running opt-in-by-default privacy-violating experiments, such as the Mr Robot fiasco[1], and opt-in-by-default collaboration with advertisers[2]. I still use Firefox, but I try to stay aware of changes, precisely because of Mozilla's privacy-leading gaffe record. 1. https://itsfoss.com/firefox-looking-glass-controversy/ 2. https:…

If those are the only examples of privacy-tarnishing theyve done, I think that would speak for Firefox and Mozilla.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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There is a (to me very surprising) typo in the section 'Focus on what matters.' where the AI summary states "... 11 out off[sic] 100 products ..."

I don't think I've ever encountered a typo in any of the LLM output I've seen, seems like the exact sort of thing an LLM would be more or less perfect at. Am I wrong to take this as an indication that this text is actually written by a human as a concise marketing example?

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Why so much hate for Firefox in these comments? What's a better browser that isn't basically advertising spyware (i.e. chrome, edge) ?

I think someone put it best: make your competitor depend on your evil thing (in this case, google donates to firefox/mozilla and makes deals about default search). In addition, people intentionally go to firefox because it /isn't/ chrome, but that only works SO LONG AS they don't copy everything google does (e.g. opt-out ads in the browser, AI, etc)

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Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.

Their browser is fine. But so is Chrome, and Chrome wins by default because it's installed by default on Android and Android really pushes you to it. Once you're using Chrome on Android and have all your passwords saved there, Firefox is a difficult sell. I can't think of a single Firefox feature that's better than "I don't have to faff around with passwords". Maybe if they allowed adblock on mobile, but last I check…

on mobile I would not know. On Desktop I want and need 'full-screen-api.ignore-widgets'. I want my full screen to match the browsers window instead of taking my monitor.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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I installed it and it's a giant floating popup that's permanently on your screen. You can enable the "minimal" theme in the settings to turn it into a smaller-but-still-big pill shape. It doesn't look like there's a way to hide it in a context menu, at least not one I can see. I don't fancy having a random floaty object in the way of my webpages, no thank you. Edit: It appears to go away occasionally. This UX is uncl…

If you pin the extension in the toolbar, there's an option to "disable" the extension. The floating popup goes away and using the extension to summarize still works.
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