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Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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There has to be google engineers here. Does this just fall on deaf ears? I realize it’s a massive corp but imagine high ranking staff have a say and input. Maybe they don’t and Sundar isn’t worried about that. Or they do a simple cost analysis and short-term they see the benefit and are willing to to risk long term erosion that maybe be minimal. Weird returning to Firefox, but I did and there is nothing in chrome I m…

The change was mostly procedural, removing apis that were old and replacing them with more modern variants. Gorhill decided to take the opportunity to make a political stand against chrome. Good for him I guess. Given the popular sentiment against google, there was no serious pushback against his stand, including from the independent media and so on. But a google engineer would presumably know the "both sides" take on the subject, and hence not see it as reflecting especially poorly on google.

Whereas a normal extension maintainer would transparently update their extension to a new API, removing any features that could no longer be supported, gorhill elected to let the old extension go out of support, and replace it with a similarly named extension under the same organization. The features in the old extension removed in the new one were minor to non-existent. The main worry was originally that they wouldn't be able to cram all the network filtering rules they needed into the limited number that were permitted. However I believe this issue was mostly worked around.

The rest of the issues raised were a masterstroke of politiking on gorhill's part. Basically, google's justification for this removing of apis business was in part to increase privacy/security. Such improvement of course could only arrive if extensions didn't demand broad permission to see all the data on every page a user visits. So gorhill designed the new "ublock origin lite" around not needing to demand this permission. Of course, such an extension necessarily must have much more limited features than the original "ublock origin". Gorhill then presented this loss in functionality as somehow a necessary casualty of the "Mv3" upgrade.

Of course, the original uB0 extension demanded the same broad permission, so this loss in functionality wasn't really a casualty of the new manifest version. Rather, it was an accusation by gorhill against google that their justification for bumping the version was false. The new uB0l extension incidentally supports a mode that demands this broad permission, so in fact the total amount of lost functionality is practically non-existent. The result is that everyone has the opportunity to flame google for their seeming anti-user behaviour. However, to a google engineer this would presumably come across as unfair, and they would presumably feel as if they were being targeted.

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the extortion? I hate bait and switch done on me when they were giving free stuff out. I was there when creators were purely about having fun, trying stuff out and sharing it with the world. But for kids these days it mostly is fair game - you want to watch funny cat videos, pay up or watch ads. You can always have fun with friends from over the world and send each other videos no one is forcing you to post it…

Because the videos in YouTube premium still have ads . But because the ads are built-in to the videos by the "content creators" themselves, they call them "sponsor segments". YouTube Premium doesn't include SponsorBlock.

It does in a limited capacity now [1]. No, it doesn't auto-skip for you and it's not nearly as quickly updated as SponsorBlock itself is, but it works fine enough on the iOS app.

[1] - https://9to5google.com/2024/05/05/youtube-premium-jump-ahead...

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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post #94

Lame. Try using NextDNS to block ads entirely instead of just in Chrome. Also, duck.com has a browser extension that can do this. You could also just use their browser instead.

DNS-level blocking is more or less what Chrome's more limited API allows you to do. Full-fat adblockers can do a lot more.

Ideally both.

I’ve found that dns still ends up catching requests even with v2 manifest ublock

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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Happened to me a couple of days ago. I installed Ublock Lite and it seems “good enough”.

Clickable link to uBlock Origin Lite: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/...

I installed it a few days ago. It works fine.

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to ditch YouTube to avoid annoying commercial breaks. Any decent ad-blocker will skip the ads in YouTube videos, or you can even use an alternative viewer like SmartTube.

Or pay for it and support the people who's content you're watching and the company who's infrastructure is providing it.

Paying for their annoying algorithm and deaf ears features.

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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There has to be google engineers here. Does this just fall on deaf ears? I realize it’s a massive corp but imagine high ranking staff have a say and input. Maybe they don’t and Sundar isn’t worried about that. Or they do a simple cost analysis and short-term they see the benefit and are willing to to risk long term erosion that maybe be minimal. Weird returning to Firefox, but I did and there is nothing in chrome I m…

Only thing i miss from chrome, is ... compatibility. a lot of sites made in the past 15 years are focused on chrome-support. especially the government-websites i use (not US) but i just use another chrome-based browser for that. Firefox is my main-boy!

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

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post #125

There has to be google engineers here. Does this just fall on deaf ears? I realize it’s a massive corp but imagine high ranking staff have a say and input. Maybe they don’t and Sundar isn’t worried about that. Or they do a simple cost analysis and short-term they see the benefit and are willing to to risk long term erosion that maybe be minimal. Weird returning to Firefox, but I did and there is nothing in chrome I m…

Why do you think in the anti-trust lawsuit they're desperate to avoid Chrome divestment? A project that on the surface surely must be a massive cost center for them that doesn't benefit their advertising arm one bit. No sir, made out of the goodness of their hearts and given away for free for nothing other than promoting the open web.

> A project that on the surface surely must be a massive cost center for them that doesn't benefit their advertising arm one bit. No sir, made out of the goodness of their hearts and given away for free for nothing other than promoting the open web.

I don't think they ever claimed it was out of the goodness of their hearts. From the horse's mouth:

"Our business does well if people are using the Web a lot and are able to use it easily and quickly," Google co-founder Sergey Brin said.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/why-google-c...

Re: Tell HN: I just updated my wife's Chrome, and uBlock is no longer supported

#320

There has to be google engineers here. Does this just fall on deaf ears? I realize it’s a massive corp but imagine high ranking staff have a say and input. Maybe they don’t and Sundar isn’t worried about that. Or they do a simple cost analysis and short-term they see the benefit and are willing to to risk long term erosion that maybe be minimal. Weird returning to Firefox, but I did and there is nothing in chrome I m…

Only thing i miss from chrome, is ... compatibility. a lot of sites made in the past 15 years are focused on chrome-support. especially the government-websites i use (not US) but i just use another chrome-based browser for that. Firefox is my main-boy!

I hear that often, but I have maybe found two websites that have a bad experience on Firefox. Out of thousands.
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