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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by lrvick »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #308
lrvick wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything I described in my comment.

> You may distribute the software or provide it to others only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

Yes except all the existing reproducible build and independent signing channels are free software. They only do this software supply chain integrity work for free for those that provide their software for free. Also, the downstream distributions and compilations of software based on these channels, are using free software licenses, and someone -could- charge for say installing them on a new computer.

These communities should not be expected to change their entire license model to remove freedom 1, just because one proprietary software vendor has chosen to remove freedom 1.

So, fdroid, guix, arch, f-droid etc offering signed reproducible builds services for proprietary software vendors being off the table, it then becomes on FUTO to provide users an equally secure path to get their software with as good or better UX.

Right now the only way to assure you get a binary of FUTO without any malware in it is to compile it yourself. Expecting most users to do that is not a serious solution.

We could force their hand though under the terms of the license though.

Lets say I were to release a package of all the dependencies needed to compile FUTO, and on first launch it downloads the code on the fly, patches out any forced-payment or analytics, compiles it, then launches it. Their license would allow it, and it could now be distributed via free software channels technically. But users would just have a very slow first launch.

At that point FUTO loses, forcing us into hacky compliance and getting no money, vs releasing it AGPL in the first place and extending the goodwill that will make some want to donate.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by willywanker »

Of course it's an Electron app that unzips to about half a gigabyte for the Linux version thanks to having to bundle a whole Chrome browser runtime. Totally insane for a streaming video application. If only there was a Qt version, that respects keyboard and mouse focused desktop UI conventions.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by Sugimot0 »

Suppafly wrote: post #295
nozzlegear wrote: post #266

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Taking "I hate that you do x" as a combative or rude dismissal is perfectly normal too.

nah, you're weird.

Please read the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Comments like the one above do not belong here at all, it's childish, it brings absolutely 0 value to readers, and it's against the guidelines because it degrades the quality of HN for everyone.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by apex_sloth »

lrvick wrote: post #310
lurkshark wrote: post #309

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I took a look at your bio but after a glance (forgive me if I’m missing something obvious) it looks like you do consulting but I don’t see FOSS for sale. I’m curious what your project is if it’s something else, but if it’s consulting that makes sense. Consulting doesn’t really work for a lot of categories of software though. Like nobody is going to pay FUTO for consulting on following YouTubers.

We sell support, customization, ensuring packages some people care about most are supported, etc. Also some people just pay monthly to ensure we stay viable because we save them a lot of work trying to implement and maintain what we do themselves. Look at all the content creators that make a living on patreon etc. If you give stuff away for free people value but also make it really easy to support you, often people d…

Interessting point with the tax right off. I asked my boss to donate to a open source software we used a lot in our dev department and he labeled it as license costs because donations aren't something he could argue for (big company tho).

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by koen31 »

bisby wrote: post #159
koen31 wrote: post #124

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Grayjay dev here. If you want it to use your user directory like other apps, just remove the file called "Portable". Keep in mind that it just uses your working directory to write files otherwise.

Sorry, to be clear, I dont wan't Grayjay data in my user directory AT ALL. Portable is basically what I want, I'm just very untactfully dropping feedback about where the data is placed. Even with the "Portable" file, it creates a directory `/home/bisby/Grayjay`. I don't want that. No app should ever put a file or directory directly in `/home/bisby` without me asking it to. The Linux standard for "where should an app…

Grayjay dev here, fixed for next release, thanks for the feedback all.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by bisby »

koen31 wrote: post #315
bisby wrote: post #159

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Sorry, to be clear, I dont wan't Grayjay data in my user directory AT ALL. Portable is basically what I want, I'm just very untactfully dropping feedback about where the data is placed. Even with the "Portable" file, it creates a directory `/home/bisby/Grayjay`. I don't want that. No app should ever put a file or directory directly in `/home/bisby` without me asking it to. The Linux standard for "where should an app…

Grayjay dev here, fixed for next release, thanks for the feedback all.

Thanks for the update, I look forward to the next release.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by [deleted] »

pxoe wrote: post #287
cxr wrote: post #263

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You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

If anything, i'd say that your interpretations and subsequent tangents are incoherent. It's really very simple. Get better at understanding.

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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by [deleted] »

speff wrote: post #276
cxr wrote: post #263

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You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

I'd call it piracy in a way. Ads are how that specific piece of content is made available - whether it be for paying file hosting costs, creator living expenses, video production, etc. Consuming media without providing compensation for it (through ad views in this case) would meet my definition of new-age piracy.

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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by cxr »

pxoe wrote: post #287
cxr wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't answer the question, and overall you're being very mercurial in this thread. Write coherently. > i just find the tension and contradictions of piracy kinda fascinating You're calling watching a TV show without watching the commercials "piracy"? That's a very broad definition of "piracy" that I'd venture has almost no support outside of your comments here.

If anything, i'd say that your interpretations and subsequent tangents are incoherent. It's really very simple. Get better at understanding.

I implore you to

(a) point to a single tangent that is not a direct response to your remarks and

(b) explain how your decision to rant, apropos of nothing, against this video player app's creators is anything other than a bizarre non-sequitur

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by scheldon7 »

Suppafly wrote: post #299
nozzlegear wrote: post #298

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It's not normal to see someone doing x behavior, initiate a conversation with them and say "I hate x behavior." They're not tone policing you when they tell you that you come off like an asshole when you do that.

That's not at all what's happening here so it's irrelevant.

Dude, be civil, is givin me second hand shame
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