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Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Post by _puk »

griomnib wrote: post #214
lern_too_spel wrote: post #179

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I just tried asking my phone to turn on the flashlight using Gemini. It worked. https://9to5google.com/2024/11/07/gemini-utilities-extension...

Ok I tried literally last week on Pixel 7a and it didn’t work. What model do you have? Maybe it requires a phone that can do on-device models?

Works on a Pixel 4A 5G..

Pretty sure that's not doing any fancy on-device models!

That said, there was a popup today saying that assistant is now using Gemini, so I just enabled it to try. Could well have changed in the last week.

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Post by fluoridation »

px1999 wrote: post #306
fluoridation wrote: post #260

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Only because they operate different businesses. Google is primarily a service provider. They have few software products that are not designed to integrate with their servers. Many of Microsoft's businesses work fundamentally differently. There's nothing Microsoft could do to Windows to disable all MFC applications and only MFC applications, and if there was it would involve more work than simply not doing anything el…

The business model doesn't matter. I can write something with Microsoft tech and expect it with reasonable likelihood to work in 10 years (even their service-based stuff), but can't say the same about anything from Google. That alone stops me/my org buying stuff from Google.

I'm not contending that Microsoft and Google are equivalent in this regard, I'm saying that Microsoft does have a history of releasing technologies and then letting them stagnate.

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Post by esafak »

egeozcan wrote: post #158
StableAlkyne wrote: post #152

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> Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market The challenge is trust. Google is one of the leaders in AI and are home to incredibly talented developers. But they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products. It's hard to justify committing developers and money to a product when there's a good chance you'll just have to pivot again once they get bored. Say what you w…

> they also have an incredibly bad track record of supporting their products Incredibly bad track record of supporting products that don't grow . I'm not saying this to defend Google, I'm still (perhaps unreasonably) angry because of Reader, it's just that there is a pattern and AI isn't likely to fit that for a long while.

Why would they grow if they don't vocally support them? Launch and hope for the best does not work; it's not the wild west on the Internet any more.

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Post by michaelmrose »

vineyardmike wrote: post #119
dagmx wrote: post #53

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They’ll care though when they have to pay for it, or when they’re in an area with poor reception.

Poor reception is rapidly becoming a non-issue for most of the developed world. I can’t think of the last time I had poor reception (in America) and wasn’t on an airplane. As the global human population increasingly urbanizes, it’ll become increasingly easy to blanket it with cell towers. Poor(er) regions of the world will increase reception more slowly, but they’re also more likely to have devices that don’t support…

I ride a ferry from a city of 50k to a city of 700k in the US and work in a building with apartments upstairs basically a concrete cave.

I see poor reception in both areas and only one has WiFi.

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Post by michaelmrose »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #126
dagmx wrote: post #94

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And you can’t run the cloud model at all if you can’t talk to the cloud.

Yes, but I can't imagine situations where I "have" to run a model when I don't have internet at that time. My life would be more affected with the rest of the internet than having to run a small stupid model locally. At the very least until the hallucination is completely solved, as I need internet to verify the models.

Hallucination can't be solved because bogus output is categorically the same sort of thing as useful output.

It has no world model. It doesn't know truth any more than it knows bullshit just a statistical relationship between words.

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Post by christianqchung »

m3kw9 wrote: post #84
airstrike wrote: post #19

OT: I’m not entirely sure why, but "agentic" sets my teeth on edge. I don't mind the concept, but the word itself has that hollow, buzzwordy flavor I associate with overblown LinkedIn jargon, particularly as it is not actually in the dictionary...unlike perfectly serviceable entries such as "versatile", "multifaceted" or "autonomous"

Yeah I hate it when AI companies throw around words like AGI and agentic capabilities. It’s non sense to most people and ambiguous at best

This is what other replies are missing - I've been following AI closely since GPT 2 and it's not immediately clear what agentic means, so to other people, the term must be even less clear. Using the word autonomous can't be worse than agentic imo.

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Post by [deleted] »

whimsicalism wrote: post #304
bloomingkales wrote: post #116

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They have to not get blind sided by Sora, while at the same time fighting the cloud war against MS/Amazon. Weirdly Google is THE AI play. If AI is not set to change everything and truly is a hype cycle, then Google stock withstands and grows. If AI is the real deal, then Google still withstands due to how much bigger the pie will get.

sora is not a big factor in this

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Post by scarmig »

atorodius wrote: post #178
CSMastermind wrote: post #173

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That's almost word for word what people said about Windows Phone when I was at Microsoft.

Was the Windows Phone ever at the frontier tho?

Windows Phone was superior to everything else on the market at the time. But phones are an ecosystem, and MS was a latecomer.

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Post by mattmerr »

surajrmal wrote: post #298
Jabbles wrote: post #290

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"just saying" things that are false. Google Cloud grew 35% year over year, when comparing the 3 months ending September 30th 2024 with 2023. https://abc.xyz/assets/94/93/52071fba4229a93331939f9bc31c/go... page 12

Isn't that the typical interpretation of what the parent comment said? How is it false?

I read parent comment "grew 35% last quarter" as (income on 2024-09-30) is 1.35 * (income on 2024-07-01)

The balance sheet shows (income on days from 2024-07-01 through 09-30) is 1.35 * (income on days from 2023-07-01 through 09-30)

These are different because with heavily handwavey math the first is growing 35% in a single quarter and the second is growing 35% annually (by comparing like-for-like quarters)

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