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Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by AlotOfReading »

IshKebab wrote: post #297
AlotOfReading wrote: post #145

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If twin peaks and downtown are your definition of "noob-level driving", what's normal difficulty? Mumbai rush hour? An active war zone?

I don't think there's a "normal". It's a scale with SF at the very bottom, Mumbai at the top. North West Europe in the middle, etc. I'm not sure what the point of your comment is. Are you disagreeing that SF is very easy driving? There's very little traffic. The roads are a perfect grid. Nothing ever blocks the lanes. The roads are all very wide so finding a place to stop is easy. Etc. etc. Most driving in the world…

Have you ever driven in SF? None of those are true. Here's a random street in the twin peaks neighborhood I mentioned: https://maps.app.goo.gl/XnGpwPN7YH24YJGQ7

Double parked vehicles are also a regular occurrence in SF, and even triple parked vehicles happen frequently enough to be a problem at fleet scale.

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Post by schiffern »

mlyle wrote: post #27
schiffern wrote: post #18

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Anyone know the timeline for Waymo expanding to northern areas outside urban centers? Or are these underserved populations forever stuck waiting hours for an Uber that still cancels half the time?

It's got to be the lowest priority; population density improves economics and utilization. Not to mention that it's hard enough to drive in a city with snow, compared to all the other kinds of situations that can manifest outside of urban centers.

It sounds like what we need is a program akin to rural electrification and rural free mail delivery, which (despite obvious unprofitability in the "small picture" sense) were both subsidized by forward-thinking government programs.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by ezfe »

mg wrote: post #31
ezfe wrote: post #30

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Profitable from an operations perspective? Surely close since they charge the same order of magnitude as an Uber/Lyft and have fewer than one driver per vehicle (monitoring the vehicles).

We have to add the deprecation and maintenance of the car. Plus I guess they need high resolution maps? Not sure if that is a significant cost factor.

Since they're using entirely electric cars that they will likely never sell so depreciation and maintenance will be favorable. There is the up-front cost of equipping the cars with equipment though, which I imagine is substantial.

For the high resolution maps, that cost is fixed per market area. It could limit a rollout to new markets by driving area.

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Post by mikepurvis »

drewgross wrote: post #310
mikepurvis wrote: post #198

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Humans do it super badly in a heavy rain/snow though. We're basically blind and just toodle along following the guy in front and hoping for the best. A machine driver should not accept these conditions.

On the contrary, sticking strictly to the lane markers when everyone else is blindly straddling lanes seems the worst of all worlds.

Right, but I’m arguing that the correct behaviour for everyone is to pull over and wait for conditions to improve — robots and humans alike.

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Post by sixQuarks »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #265
sixQuarks wrote: post #168

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You are exactly right. Look at how you’re getting downvoted. It’s so disappointing that this so-called tech community is so deranged because of their hatred of Musk so much that they’re not willing to look at the facts. If it was any other company doing what Tesla is doing with their self driving, the comments here would be completely different.

> they’re not willing to look at the facts. Quite the opposite. The facts are that Elon Musk is notorious for overselling and missing deadlines. RoboTaxi has supposed to have come out how long ago? How much did Cybertruck get delayed? Roadster was supposed to be out 4 years ago, and there's now basically not a peep about it. Elon has taken who knows how much money from people for reservations, and 4 years later they'…

Ok let’s bet then. Easy money

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by sixQuarks »

fixprix wrote: post #281
sixQuarks wrote: post #168

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You are exactly right. Look at how you’re getting downvoted. It’s so disappointing that this so-called tech community is so deranged because of their hatred of Musk so much that they’re not willing to look at the facts. If it was any other company doing what Tesla is doing with their self driving, the comments here would be completely different.

Meh they got Bitcoin wrong as well and after 15 years still think it’s a scam.

Very true, the only reason I didn’t buy bitcoin at $1 was because of hackernews comments, I thought these people were smart about technology.

Thankfully I got my bearings right and bought at $250 and still holding.

HN commenters are notorious for being wrong, almost every successful unicorn, if you go look at the early comments about them, HN top comment is usually dead wrong about them

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by asdff »

ra7 wrote: post #116
asdff wrote: post #110

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I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.

> In what way is it non working at this point? Because you're in the driver's seat supervising at all times? If it worked fully autonomously, you would be in the backseat.

It does work fully autonomously. The fact that you are "supervising it" is a lie to regulators. No one has the reaction time to take the wheel and get in control of the car in the event of a situation where the autopilot fails. people don't even have the reaction time to do that when they are already in control of a car and something unfolds in front of them.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by asdff »

PittleyDunkin wrote: post #130
asdff wrote: post #110

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I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.

It's not "full" self driving despite their advertisements (which shouldn't even be legal to use). It can't handle basic weather or bad drivers or confusing road markings. Granted, neither can many humans. But the bar should be many times higher if the operators are relieved of liability.

Anecdotally speaking it drives around LA county better than waymo. Maybe the weather isn't bad but the road markings especially on cement roads are often pretty shit compared to other parts of the country and hard for me to even see at night with my own human eyes.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Post by asdff »

danans wrote: post #120
asdff wrote: post #110

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I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me on surface roads, on the highway, and even navigate the lot, find parking, and park the car. In what way is it non working at this point? Waymo doesn’t even do highway.

> I’ve seen teslas full self driving drive me ... > In what way is it non working at this point? It's killing people: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/18/24273418/nhtsa-tesla-ful...

What like other drivers too?
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