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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by avar »

alekratz wrote: post #96
avar wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is there any better way to do > it with a single developer for > a website that serves millions > of people a day? No, the other reason they're using this is to make it so annoying that you'll spend $20/yr to buy a 4chan pass to bypass it. If you're not making your free website annoying to drive revenue there's obvious ways to make it less annoying. E.g. keep the annoying captcha, but don't show one again for the l…

>No, the other reason they're using this is to make it so annoying that you'll spend $20/yr to buy a 4chan pass to bypass it. I think this is a really cynical outlook, especially for a website that is not run as a modern tech-centric company. 4chan's roots are in that of the Old Internet, where it is a creative and messy and interesting place to be. why would they be banking solely on using a terrible captcha as a me…

You're reading a lot into my reply. The GP's question was "is there any better way to [avoid the captcha] with a single developer?".

That's clearly the case. As a trivial example, 4chan could take your $20 and avoid giving you a captcha for 2 years, or charge you $10 for one year.

Both are a 2x improvement, if the only goal is to get past the necessary evil of the captcha.

But that clearly isn't the goal, that doesn't mean I'm begrudging 4chan their business model, that's something you grabbed out of thin air.

    why would they not kick the
    problematic and porn boards
    to the curb and ban the use
    of slurs to make room for more
    friendly advertisers?
How would that be a realistic alternative for the "single developer "? The entire selling point of 4chan is that it's a very limited time capsule of the old Internet wild west.

What you're describing would be a Reddit or Facebook groups clone. If 4chan became that, nobody would use it. They'd just use Reddit or Facebook groups.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by aguaviva »

efilife wrote: post #288
Dachande663 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The site runs off of a tiny little server at home so I’ve got some very aggressive firewall rules. Anything from the usual bad countries, certain signatures etc are blocked. Reduced traffic to 1% of previous load.

What are the bad countries? Russia and china?

There are no bad countries, only bad streams of traffic.

Some of which have been observed to be associated with certain countries.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by xp84 »

gosub100 wrote: post #262
antirez wrote: post #13

Appropriate response by 4Chan to this: simplify the human work given that anyway it's simple to solve via NNs. We are at a point where designing very hard captchas has high probabilities to increase the human annoyance without decreasing the machine solvability.

"Drag each symbol to the group that is most likely to be offended by it."

Ooh I love this, all off-the-shelf AI won’t touch it due to all their “safety” (aka anti-hurt-feelings) protocols

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by ValentinA23 »

Arnavion wrote: post #251
poincaredisk wrote: post #190

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Hi fellow cookie autodeleter, I experienced the same thing, but I just decided to stop posting. Whitelisting felt too much like giving in to terrorists. I'm considering just not going there in the future. Maybe after all this time I will finally be free.

Same. In my case I always use a separate incognito mode browser for posting and a regular locked-down browser with JS disabled etc. So I'd have to either give in and leave the incognito mode browser running in the background while I browser on the main browser, or give in and stop blocking as aggressively on the main browser, and I chose to do neither and just stop posting. Given the schizos that are still present an…

Why are you doing this ? What are you trying to avoid ?

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by tovej »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #274
tovej wrote: post #219

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This problem is a societal one, it mostly harms you indirectly by creating spaces for hateful ideas to spread, 4chan's harm is through the capacity to organize and strengthen hateful and harmful political movements. More socially conscious people not visiting the site only serves to create a stronger echo chamber.

The fact you think some ideas are "harmful" is exactly why humanity needs sites like these. We don't trust people like you to determine which ideas are "harmful" and which aren't, which ideas are worth spreading and which aren't. We want to see for ourselves, thank you very much. We are especially interested in the ideas that people deem offensive enough to suppress. Are they actually wrong or are they just socially…

You're saying national socialism is not harmful? /pol/, /b/, and tons of other boards constantly spawn threads glorifying nazi germany and vilifying other ethnicities and women, using rhetoric calling for people belonging to these groups to be killed.

Violent far-right groups use these threads as a pool for recruitment. These far-right groups cause real societal harm through violent crime and shifting the view on violent policies against minorities.

I am not using an abstract moral argument when I say these ideas cause harm, I'm arguing based on objectively observed effects that the loose ethical norms of a liberal democratic society would unambiguously deem harmful.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by throw1574236 »

codexon wrote: post #287
Etherlord87 wrote: post #108

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It's a bit embarrassing I even have to explain this, but yes, because racism or sexism are very important parts of 4chan's appeal: it's a place with freedom of speech. Let's be real the standards of discussion are low, but people can discuss stuff freely, which they wouldn't be able to if everything was buried under some GPT generated spam.

A lot of people think 4chan is one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet because they see a lot of racism that would normally be banned anywhere else. But if you post something that goes against the alt-right that pisses them off too much and getting a lot of replies, it'll be deleted within minutes, or you'll even get banned for being "off topic". 4chan is not free speech, it is just a haven for the al…

This is not true. You can go to /v/ right now and see tons of pro black/trans in video games posters, and /lgbt/ is one of the largest boards on the site at 12th place by avg. posts per day.[0] Here are 3 /v/ threads I found in less than 5 seconds that are "pro woke":

1. 696014001

OP:

>Face it, it’s going to be a BG3 situation. Everyone will screech about it being woke, play it, then 6 months later everyone will say “no one called it woke, what are you talking about?”

2. 696014873

OP:

>If Japanese people are so based and anti-woke then why is this so popular in nipland? [pic of otokonoko game in image]

3. 696016309

OP:

>>9999 games cater to cis men, 1 doesn't

>>THIS IS LITERALLY GENOCIDE

(Two of these threads I found by searching the word "woke" in the catalog. The first was the first thread when I opened the page.)

In fact, these types of threads are against the rules,[1] but /v/ is somewhat evenly split between liberals and anti-liberals and liberals make these threads all day and can be seen in replies as well. They even have their own terms, eg. "Grumzcord Raid" "Grifter thread" etc. And if you knew anything about the mods and janitors you would know many are far from alt-right.

My guess is you went to /g/ and started making blatant political threads and got banned. Note that both sides get banned for blatant off topic political posts. Do you have any examples of posts you were banned for?

[0] https://4stats.io/

[1] rules#v §3 - "Threads should not devolve into flamewars. Instigating or encouraging such activity will not be tolerated."

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by ValentinA23 »

chiph wrote: post #227
benreesman wrote: post #171

In my opinion the granddaddy of all 4chan CAPTCHA busts is still Yannick Kilcher’s GPT-J tune on “Raiders of the Lost Kek” set, and might be the coolest thing an LLM has ever done on video: https://youtu.be/efPrtcLdcdM?si=errY0PrEhnX9ylDw

Nearly a full minute of disclaimers and warnings about 4chan. That's got to be a record.

>I released the model, the code and I evaluated the model on a huge set of benchmarks and it turns out this horrible, terrible, model is more truthful-yes more truthful-than any other GPT out there

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by throw1574236 »

codexon wrote: post #306
TZubiri wrote: post #302

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They do have rules and the site is quite moderated. I do think though that any such site or platform will have the issue of judges inflecting their bias in their application of the rules. So I wouldn't say that it is a unique phenomenon. That said, of course there is a semantic as well as technical identity to 4chan. And they are quite connected, rather than isolated. 4chan, apart from its lax rules on what we now ca…

There were no rules broken. Actually they selectively ignore the rule against racism as long as it is aligned with alt-right, and not just the pol board now. https://4chan.org/rules 3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: b. Racism The political bias of the moderators on the website have been documented by others. https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha... They selectively censo…

>https://i.imgur.com/0Xkslke.jpeg

That thread is about the Spanish movie "La piel que habito,"[0] and that OP post is actually describing the plot, it's not even a political post. So bringing up American Republicans out of nowhere is quite off topic. Strange how you conveniently cropped out the title and image that ostensibly showed this. Is this the best you can do?

[0] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_piel_que_habito

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by codexon »

throw1574236 wrote: post #318
codexon wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were no rules broken. Actually they selectively ignore the rule against racism as long as it is aligned with alt-right, and not just the pol board now. https://4chan.org/rules 3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: b. Racism The political bias of the moderators on the website have been documented by others. https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha... They selectively censo…

> https://i.imgur.com/0Xkslke.jpeg That thread is about the Spanish movie "La piel que habito,"[0] and that OP post is actually describing the plot, it's not even a political post. So bringing up American Republicans out of nowhere is quite off topic. Strange how you conveniently cropped out the title and image that ostensibly showed this. Is this the best you can do? [0] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_piel_que_hab…

It's not entirely unrelated to the discussion and I guarantee you if someone said something aligned with alt-right, instead it would not have been censored.

Examples

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206317377/

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206526786/#q206527439

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206199053/#q206200223

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206521664/#q206526548

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by ValentinA23 »

TZubiri wrote: post #300
tovej wrote: post #207

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/pol/ is 100% a big factor in the rising popularity of MAGA and far-right nationalist sentiment among young men

To what extent is it a factor as in the cause, and to what extent is it just an organic manifestation of the desires of the people? You can apply this to most social media, but in the spectrum of wikipedia (the people control the content) to netflix(the private owners control the content), I'd think 4chan would be closer to wikipedia.

Consider that Trump's hymn goes like:

Young man, there's no need to feel down, I said

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