“services with the primary purpose of supporting the health and education of end-users" will be excempt.
Sigh. Good luck with that. Not at all vague.
Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws
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#312Every single Australian 's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). Reminds of the 'chil…
> Every single Australian's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). > > Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). This isn't a gi…
This comes up on every single HN thread about the topic, but I don’t understand how people aren’t seeing the obvious abuse angle:
Create a market for anonymous age verification tokens. People pay $5 to someone to create an age authorization for them. 17 year old kid (who is old enough under this law) spends all day creating anonymous age auth tokens to sell to people who want them.
Entire system subverted with profit motive.
The next phase of the argument is to argue for rate limiting or extra logging, but the more you force that the more you degrade privacy or introduce unreasonable restrictions. “Sorry, I can’t sign up for the wiki today because I already used my quota of 2 government age checks today”. Still leaves plenty of room for 17 year old kids to earn $10 a day farming out their age checks.
The entire argument that anonymous crypto primitive will solve this problem is tiresome.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I got to grow up with a wide variety of opinions and ideas from people across the world. You got to grow up with the vocal minority on the internet, in otherwords the 4% of the worlds population which is most extreme in their views and most arrogant in how they express them.
That is entirely an assumption on your part, one which reveals your inherent biases. My experience was not at all as you describe. You have no idea how I spent my time on the web overall just because I gave you a glimpse into a single aspect of my intersectional experience on the web.
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Well that goes a long way to explaining your quite extreme views.
You're flirting with an identity fallacy here, but please, explain which part of my views are extreme.
>The real reason why politicians push through these anti-social media laws is to prevent children from networking and discussing and sharing revolutionary ideas.
Thats a pretty extreme view to any normal person who didnt grow up on the internet.
EDIT: please stop editing your posts after posting, it makes them most difficult to respond to properly.
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This is the most horrifying thing in all of this. People with a prison guard mentality are already thinking how to enforce the rules in an even stricter way. Rules that are violating freedom of information, one of the most basics Western freedoms. Yes, there are no repreciations for the violating them at first, the frog is getting boiled slowly, but give it a few years and people who let their child use social media…
> freedom of information, one of the most basics Western freedoms. Children's access to info is limited in all societies.
No it isn't; children have always been able to borrow the same books from libraries as adults, read the same newspapers. Just now much of the information doesn't live in books or newspapers.
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#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're flirting with an identity fallacy here, but please, explain which part of my views are extreme.
>The real reason why politicians push through these anti-social media laws is to prevent children from networking and discussing and sharing revolutionary ideas. Thats a pretty extreme view to any normal person who didnt grow up on the internet. EDIT: please stop editing your posts after posting, it makes them most difficult to respond to properly.
You also need to make a case for why it's extreme. Simply labeling it as extreme is not enough. Why is it extreme?
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#319Every single Australian 's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). Reminds of the 'chil…
> the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts This isn't necessarily true. It came as a surprise to me, but many "Government Digital ID" systems use Verifiable Credentials[1][2] and Decentralized Identifiers[3]. I live in BC, Canada. I have installed the BC Wallet app[4] which is open source code[5]. With the BC Wallet app, I can create an acc…
Proving identity is a hard problem. What’s to stop a kid from grabbing his father’s drivers license and setting up this wallet because eg his father is never going to do it
Secondarily what’s to stop an 18-year-old having hundreds of tiktok accounts and selling them for a dollar to whatever kid wants at is high school
every social media site is going to have to implement Australia’s 2fa system?
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is entirely an assumption on your part, one which reveals your inherent biases. My experience was not at all as you describe. You have no idea how I spent my time on the web overall just because I gave you a glimpse into a single aspect of my intersectional experience on the web.
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> You got to grow up with the vocal minority on the internet, in otherwords the 4% of the worlds population which is most extreme in their views and most arrogant in how they express them.
This is a de facto assumption. You assumed a situation which was not reality.
> 4% of the worlds population are vocal on the internet.
Conjecture, unsubstantiated percentage. Rooted in your own biased and demonstrably incomplete understanding of the internet.
> Anyone thinking they are being exposed to a wide range of people and personalities on the internet is very mistaken
I don't think you understand just how many people are on the internet. I get exposed to a wealth of different cultures and ideas, even moreso today.
Also, please refrain from devolving into insults and accusations of narcissism. Not only is that a textbook identity fallacy, but there is nothing narcissistic about simply pushing back against biased judgement.