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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by wink »

hughesjj wrote: post #143
thekevan wrote: post #121

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone. It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created. I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start. Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

Not sure how you define "technically better" but in any way I'd add "citation needed". G+ was kinda horrible with a couple good ideas and I think the lack of widespread adoption spoke for that.

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Post by blntechie »

plufz wrote: post #309
citizenkeen wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google+ was wildly successful in certain circles. Tabletop RPG design still hasn’t entirely recovered from its loss. Google+ was successful from any real metric but it didn’t replace Facebook so it was axed.

By which metrics was Google+ successful? I don’t doubt you, I just never heard that before.

I can't say user metrics but Google Photos came out of Google+ and it is a massively successful product.

Hangouts (now Meet?) was also a product out of Google+ but considering GChat (the xmpp version) existed before, it was kind of a step backwards.

I think Google Local Guide also has some parts of Google+, not sure.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by drw85 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #278
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. In fact I believe that the present day situation boils down to one thing only: the prioritization of engagement at the cost of all else. That’s what set us down this road. It incentivizes inflammatory posting that eschews nuance and context and twists and exaggerates the subject matter in order to provoke emotional responses — whether they be angry replies, “dunk” quote-posts, re…

Their advertising model certainly is a problem. But it isn't the only one, there are more and more users that demand other users be removed because of their opinion. When social networks started to listen to a few of them, they made themselves hostages to more demands. Platforms like Twitter or reddit certainly suffered from this.

I agree that ads are basically controlling most of the internet and public discourse now. Like you can't even use normal words in youtube videos anymore, because your video will be less visible/removed.

On the other hand, there are way too many people/accounts/bots out there that don't actually want to talk or discuss something, but spread false information and incite rage and anger. Those need to be moderated even harder than they already are, i think.

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Post by rightbyte »

result2vino wrote: post #302
rightbyte wrote: post #294

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Aha I see clearly now. So that is my Reddit make you reload a comment thread when you click the 'expand thread' sometimes. To get more add views? I just thought it was inline with all their other crappy ux choises. In this case they want to increase some KPI instead.

Christ. Some people are willing to believe anything when it affirms their baseless beliefs. You’ve taken some reply that was about another situation entirely and let it convince you. I can think of multiple more likely explanations. Enough for this to at least be in the “who knows?” bucket.

Ye I had a revelation about something totally unrelated, when reading about one KPI hack, that the Reddit load new page upon clicking expand comment, also most likely is one.

What would be a good reason for that, that is not KPI hacking? The extra text is bogger all bandwidth wise.

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Post by blitzar »

rightbyte wrote: post #314
result2vino wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christ. Some people are willing to believe anything when it affirms their baseless beliefs. You’ve taken some reply that was about another situation entirely and let it convince you. I can think of multiple more likely explanations. Enough for this to at least be in the “who knows?” bucket.

Ye I had a revelation about something totally unrelated, when reading about one KPI hack, that the Reddit load new page upon clicking expand comment, also most likely is one. What would be a good reason for that, that is not KPI hacking? The extra text is bogger all bandwidth wise.

Social networks hook users in with the one little trick ... click here to find out why you should be using it too.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by Fluorescence »

blntechie wrote: post #312
plufz wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By which metrics was Google+ successful? I don’t doubt you, I just never heard that before.

I can't say user metrics but Google Photos came out of Google+ and it is a massively successful product. Hangouts (now Meet?) was also a product out of Google+ but considering GChat (the xmpp version) existed before, it was kind of a step backwards. I think Google Local Guide also has some parts of Google+, not sure.

IMHO Google Photos was also just brand/infra-churn because it replaced Picasa Web Albums.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #281
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like that aspect about Bluesky too. On “safe spaces”, as you hint at I think many of us don’t want to be shielded entirely from opposing or otherwise differing lines of thought. Speaking personally, I welcome it if there’s actual discussion to be had . Good faith discussions and exchange of perspectives is great, but I have no patience for trolls, circular logic, insults, “debate” that wouldn’t even pass for high s…

Then you need to choose the safe space option. Under no circumstances should you opt to advertise removing content for others. Because your justification with "circular logic" could mean anything. This is the safe space option. That more free platforms employ spam protection is no excuse.

I think circular logic is fairly well defined (from Wikipedia, “Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy, but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion.”)

That said, yes it’s not grounds for a ban. I wouldn’t block over it either unless the person in question is being obnoxious and e.g. following me around between threads and trying to stir up argument about the subject of contention or resorts to personal insults or something like that.

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Post by drivingmenuts »

cryptica wrote: post #252
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The confederate flag has only been raised inside our capital buildings once, and that was on Jan 6.

Well, you can't overthrow a government with a piece of cloth. So I still don't see how it could be called an insurrection.

Just because you suck at doing something doesn't change what you're attempting to do. They were there to execute elected officials and attempt to stop required processes in the belief that would invalidate an election they lost.

Sounds like an insurrection to me.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

drw85 wrote: post #313
raxxorraxor wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their advertising model certainly is a problem. But it isn't the only one, there are more and more users that demand other users be removed because of their opinion. When social networks started to listen to a few of them, they made themselves hostages to more demands. Platforms like Twitter or reddit certainly suffered from this.

I agree that ads are basically controlling most of the internet and public discourse now. Like you can't even use normal words in youtube videos anymore, because your video will be less visible/removed. On the other hand, there are way too many people/accounts/bots out there that don't actually want to talk or discuss something, but spread false information and incite rage and anger. Those need to be moderated even h…

Overt support or advocacy for known hate/supremacist groups should fall under the scope of “needs moderation” as well. That sort of content has seen a sharp uptick on X which is one of the reasons why people are now jumping ship.
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