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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by duderific »

aziaziazi wrote: post #233
jvanderbot wrote: post #206

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Rent a Tesla and try to adjust the mirrors while driving I dare you. Less difficult but much more common: Change the radio station / music. Change the climate control. Both of those require taking your eyes off the road and navigating through multiple touch screen-only modal windows. I have owned one for years and it is a distraction factory.

I get it but Climate and Music can wait right? It’s a vehicle not an entertainment room. And adjusting mirors while driving seems crazy and dangerous!! changing something that supposed to be set before departure? At least that’s what taught at driving school and written in texts I guess… too sad the distraction factory is so dangerous. I wouldn’t drive that.

I dunno, I adjust climate and music frequently while driving. I have a Volvo now which requires touchscreen for those things, and I can't stand it. Otherwise a great car though.

After a while you "learn" to do it without looking at the screen too much. Nonetheless, it's far inferior to having tactile controls.

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Post by Recurecur »

zzzeek wrote: post #164
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

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Um, the DOGE is rather a necessity about now.

The USA is ~$36 TRILLION in debt. Interest payments are now consuming ~20% of tax revenue...more than the defense budget. That's insane!

Musk is also absolutely correct about over-regulation and government bureaucracy stifling innovation and economic growth.

Then there's the amazing incompetence often displayed by the current admin... Witness Afghanistan, among many other examples.

Given a two party system, I can only think this election outcome was better than the alternative!

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Post by duderific »

vikingerik wrote: post #221
SoftTalker wrote: post #115

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What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…

I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

Lots of soccer moms driving Teslas in the Bay Area. Know several myself.

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Post by aziaziazi »

mcculley wrote: post #86
doctorpangloss wrote: post #61

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How is California special in that regard? Many states lack the infrastructure or density to allow for proper enjoyment of alcohol.

There also clear lack of alcohol enjoyment education. Gather at friends place and stay overnight, carpools and draw a sober Sam, don’t get overdrunk and drink water for the last 90 min of the party, etc…

I do agree infras and density is a better option. But lack of infra doesn’t justify to drive drunk.

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Post by buffington »

jvanderbot wrote: post #206
aziaziazi wrote: post #195

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> essential controls Can’t you drive a Tesla without it? I expect the screen was for radio, gps, AC… I agree those are distracting through.

Rent a Tesla and try to adjust the mirrors while driving I dare you. Less difficult but much more common: Change the radio station / music. Change the climate control. Both of those require taking your eyes off the road and navigating through multiple touch screen-only modal windows. I have owned one for years and it is a distraction factory.

All of these things can be done without looking if you use voice commands. They can be done with a scroll wheel/button as well if you spend five minutes, once, to set your preferences for what the wheel controls.

That said, I hate the touch screen only UI of my car. There are times when I can't use voice or the scroll wheel and want (not so much need) to do something with the menus. In most cars, it's trivial to do most things by feel if you know where the buttons are.

Even if you could get really good at only touching the "right" place on the touch screen, one software update can change things enough to where it's now accessed differently.

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Post by buffington »

aziaziazi wrote: post #233
jvanderbot wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rent a Tesla and try to adjust the mirrors while driving I dare you. Less difficult but much more common: Change the radio station / music. Change the climate control. Both of those require taking your eyes off the road and navigating through multiple touch screen-only modal windows. I have owned one for years and it is a distraction factory.

I get it but Climate and Music can wait right? It’s a vehicle not an entertainment room. And adjusting mirors while driving seems crazy and dangerous!! changing something that supposed to be set before departure? At least that’s what taught at driving school and written in texts I guess… too sad the distraction factory is so dangerous. I wouldn’t drive that.

The mirror's angle can change, while driving, in such a way that pulling over to stop and fix it isn't the safest option. With dedicated tactile controls you can adjust mirrors without taking your eyes off the road, while also verifying that the mirrors are adjusted correctly.

I think the number of people who can say that they have never needed to adjust mirrors while moving, even after having spent a few minutes adjusting them in the driveway, is very much next to zero.

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Post by sangnoir »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #263
MBCook wrote: post #165

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We’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.

Being right or wrong is often irrelevant to the question of “does it belong on HN?”

Not only do other HN commenters largely agree that it belongs to HN, they decided that it deserves to be the top comment on this discussion, at the time I authored this comment

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Post by aziaziazi »

Veserv wrote: post #308
aziaziazi wrote: post #195

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> essential controls Can’t you drive a Tesla without it? I expect the screen was for radio, gps, AC… I agree those are distracting through.

Gear selection is done via the screen on a Model 3 [1]. Technically, there is a touchscreen button on the rearview mirror unit, but I doubt anybody actually uses that. Alternatively, you can use the AI gear selector from park which guesses what direction you want to go. [1] https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_eu/GUID-E9B387D...

Not used to US gears, aren’t they only used when you park? Not sure if that’s the dangerous part of the commute.

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Post by yardstick »

piotrkaminski wrote: post #250
floxy wrote: post #218

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>I don't think anyone would be particularly surprised to learn that Porsche drivers get into a lot of fatal accidents. From the actual study: Fatal Accident Rate Compared to Rank| Model |(per 10^9 Miles) | Overall Average ----+---------------------+--------------------+----------------- 1 | Hyundai Venue | 13.9 | 4.9x 2 | Chevrolet Corvette | 13.6 | 4.8x 3 | Mitsubishi Mirage | 13.6 | 4.8x 4 | Porsche 911 | 13.2 | 4.…

What in the world is the Honda CR-V Hybrid doing so high on this list?! That doesn't seem to fit any of the theories I've seen spun up so far.

Family car, probably lots of accidents due to kids distracting drivers.

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Post by sangnoir »

ithkuil wrote: post #285
namaria wrote: post #230

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What's 4D chess about saying they'll diminish the government capacity to regulate their business and proceeding to doing so? It doesn't take an evil genius master plan to go about that.

The genius would lie in planning that in advance. You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money, use it to influence elections or at least give the impression that you'd been instrumental in influencing the election so that the new president will want to give you a new department with a funny name you made up. I don't know man, my Occam's razor cuts another way.

> You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money

On the other hand, if he had been forced to buy Twitter against his better judgement, he may have an axe to grind against the "overbearing" administrative state and use the tools at hand to achieve his ends. No evil genius required, just happenstance and humans seeing patterns in chaos.

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