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Re: We're forking Flutter

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According to its web site, eBay, New York Times, Square, American Airlines.

I'm suspicious of those because it shows an ebay logo but then shows an app I've never heard of or used...is this the same for all the other logos? Where does NYT use flutter?

Flutter web publicly launched with a NYT prototype https://verygood.ventures/success-stories/new-york-times

Re: We're forking Flutter

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WhatsApp once had just 50 engineers with 900M users: https://www.wired.com/2015/09/whatsapp-serves-900-million-us...

As far as I know Telegram has around the same number of engineers even today, handling around the same size userbase.

And support is almost non-existent

Re: We're forking Flutter

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> We describe Flock as "Flutter+". In other words, we do not want, or intend, to fork the Flutter community. Flock will remain constantly up to date with Flutter. That was the first fear when I saw the title - splitting community and having two incompatible versions. Good to see it addressed in the post. The second was just a fear of how it would complicate the development process, but it seems to be a drop-in replac…

I can’t imagine using Flutter for desktop development if only because like most newer UI frameworks, it’s mobile focused and doesn’t come with important desktop widgets like tableviews/datagrids and treeviews.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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While surfing around the various repos, I was reminded about the bad taste I got from the last time someone sung the praises of Flutter/Dart; this thing is firmly in the "Android SDK-ish" school of thought: download a shitload of prebuilt binaries from storage.googleapis.com, dontyouworryaboutit

  $ curl -I https://storage.googleapis.com/flutter_infra_release/releases/stable/macos/flutter_macos_3.24.4-stable.zip
  

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Absolutely, yes! Then make it two or three people, maybe 10 and there are still n-times too many people working on flutter compared to cURL. Which boils down to: Number of devs vs. people using something is a very bad metric. Even number of supported devices won't work good in this case (I assume cURL runs basically everywhere). I think it's very difficult to estimate complexity, and then make a statement about "how…

Two orders of magnitude would be 100, not 10.

I'm not sure that something being 100x more complex means you need 100x more people.

plus they said an "order or two" which would be 10-100x so ...

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Flutter is really not some big revelation and it's always shocking to me how it's evangelists act like it's the game changer no one else has noticed. It's just not that good? Just build native UIs. I don't know why cross platform UI has been such a hobbyhorse for so many for so long: it's a stupid idea.

As someone desperately fighting to keep their company's main product to stay using a native desktop UI, Microsoft makes it real hard. WinUI3 hasn't even officially launched and it already feels like it's on life support. QT is good, but even qt seems to be starting to use a web renderer.

Qt either Widgets or Quick definitely does not use a web renderer

Re: We're forking Flutter

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I don't think people are able to tell a Flutter app from any other cross platform/web framework. They just think they can.

It’s more difficult to distinguish if an app is Flutter or some other cross platform framework, but “native or not” is very easy on iOS. Even React Native, which is the least foreign, has tells. On Android it’s more difficult, partially because it’s kind of like Windows where Google/Microsoft uses 50 separate reimplementations of Material/Fluent and there’s no consistency to be found anywhere.

I'm really curious what the specific tells are. Do you have any specific examples?

When using the apps on my iPhone, I just don't see how I could tell the difference.

Re: We're forking Flutter

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Flutter founder here. We use Flutter to build Mezzi (www.mezzi.com). In fact, we've worked with the OP (Matt) on our app. He's super knowledgeable about Flutter and it's inner workings. A great dev too. Flutter is awesome, but there are definitely bugs that lie unfixed for an uncomfortable period of time. This is not unique to Flutter ... with any open source project there's a lag between bug reports and bug fixes. T…

> Flutter founder here. Given that the literal founder of Flutter is in this thread using this introduction multiple times, it’s kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you honestly just meant “a founder using Flutter”.

I remember the name 'hersheyhersh' in some Flutter context. But the account has zero activity, so it's questionable that this is a Flutter founder.
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