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Agreed. I was XCode'ing on an 8gb M1 back during the lockdown, it was great. It's nice to see more RAM and Apple was being very stingy about it, but the real-world is totally overblown.
If you use your PC to only run a single application at any time then yes, 8GB might be usable. If you need to have an Electron app opened, a few browser tabs and XCode (let alone some less efficient IDE)? Your compute will grind to a halt...
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Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.
Putting the plug on the bottom is an intentional choice by Apple. It's because they don't want you to plug it in to charge, then never remember to unplug it. Mandatory wirelessness.
https://www.logitechg.com/en-ca/products/gaming-mice/pro-x-s...
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> As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. To be fair, I don't think people mucking around with large LLMs is the primary target market for the iMacs. The sort of people who muck around with LLMs almost certainly already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. And so are more likely to pick up a Mac Studio which will no doubt be com…
Or separate concerns and shell out on a Studio display with the-mac-you-like on usb-c
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Sure, but to be honest, I don’t think you should be shipping a high-spec computer with a built-in screen. Anything high-spec should be broken into at least a separate screen and computer. The screen is such a major point of failure. I’ve seen so many iMacs and MacBooks with broken screens where the end solution is to replace the entire device, which is a waste. It’s that much more of a waste if you are getting a high…
> The screen is such a major point of failure. The screen of an iMac (at least the 5K 27" one) is the part that still has value, so its annoying when you can't use it on new hardware.
I've had a few of these iMacs and would like another. When I buy a new one (every ~5 years) I hand down the old one to a family member (the last one is ~10 years old now, and stuck at macOS 12(?)).
I like the form factor as it is convenient.
I'm typing this on 2019 Retina 5K and am hoping Apple will bring back that form factor (there have been rumours of a 32", but that's a bit too big IMHO).
As it stands, it looks like the Asus PA27JCV has similar specs, and so I may end up with that and an Mac mini.
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I'd be interested in numbers on some of this. From my view, the upgradability is a bit of a red herring for most users. Computers are fast enough for most uses that it just doesn't matter.
And frankly, the “upgradeability” of most desktops is a myth in my experience. By the time I’ve ever wanted to upgrade a Windows or Linux PC, a new CPU probably isn’t going to fit into the same socket as the one I had so now I need a new motherboard too. I probably want a new GPU if it was a gaming PC and if it wasn’t I would be using an integrated GPU anyway. I think the only thing I’ve ever kept from an “upgrade” w…
For other components it mostly works. You can smoothly upgrade from 8GB RAM all the way to 128GB, get a new GPU, whatever the current WiFi standard is, more silent cooling, more, bigger or faster drives, etc. If you replace something every 2-3 years you can ship-of-theseus the same computer for a surprisingly long time at pretty low cost
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They literally can't. They moved the headphone jack from the back to the side because it was too long. Now you could argue if it needs to be that thin but for the current configuration, there's nothing you can cram behind the screen.
For something that's literally designed to sit on a desk, yes... it's ridiculous to make it thinner in a dimension you never see vs one that you see all the time.
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i know a few people who have an iMac in their living room like that, with the same logic as the people who still have landlines - the laptops and cell phones get put away when you get home (or stay in the home office), so you can be present with your family. but sometimes you still need a computer for stuff , like controlling the music or quickly looking something up on google. but if it's not your computer, and it's…
It's surreal for me how something so expensive can be thought as "perfect" for this usecase. I'd say in cases like this having a cheap laptop or even a cheap all in one desktop computer is good enough. Why spend $2000 to browse the internet?
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I'd be interested in numbers on some of this. From my view, the upgradability is a bit of a red herring for most users. Computers are fast enough for most uses that it just doesn't matter.
And frankly, the “upgradeability” of most desktops is a myth in my experience. By the time I’ve ever wanted to upgrade a Windows or Linux PC, a new CPU probably isn’t going to fit into the same socket as the one I had so now I need a new motherboard too. I probably want a new GPU if it was a gaming PC and if it wasn’t I would be using an integrated GPU anyway. I think the only thing I’ve ever kept from an “upgrade” w…
A person in college on a tight budget might choose a budget-conscious PC, with an average amount of RAM and a modest hard drive. A few years later, component prices will have fallen and the PC will be showing its age thanks to its modest components. Adding a larger hard drive and more RAM will get a few more years out of it.
On the other hand, a mid-career professional programmer has plenty of disposable income, so if they're buying a PC today they can chuck in 128GB of RAM and not need to upgrade for the next 10 years.
As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.
> As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. To be fair, I don't think people mucking around with large LLMs is the primary target market for the iMacs. The sort of people who muck around with LLMs almost certainly already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. And so are more likely to pick up a Mac Studio which will no doubt be com…
Although price-conscious LLM muckers are most likely to pick any Apple-hardware. You can easily build rigs that are twice as powerful for half the price, assuming we compare desktops.
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I will never purchase the Studio Display on principle. It's an idiot product.
For what its worth, I am extremely satisfied with my Studio Display. The 5K resolution makes 2x pixel perfect scaling look great, built in webcam which fantatic for meetings, good speakers, and charges the MacBook Pro with the same cable, and acts as an USB-C hub.
If I didn't already have the LG Ultrafine, I would have bought one of the studio displays.