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We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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Agreed, and with these new machines, they should have two of them (for several reasons). I worked there for a couple years in high school and summertime was just order after order of ice cream. The lost profit from the only machine being broken, or during it's downtime to chill the soft serve liquid after a refill, would pay back the investment in one summer, not to mention the customer service improvement. The ad ca…

Do they even make a profit on ice creams? I doubt it.

The small cones, you're probably right (once you factor in all of the fixed costs). But, the $5 McFlurry... definitely!

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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I’ve never come across a broken McDonald’s ice cream machine in Australia either.

I think McDonald’s is under different ownership in different countries. They may even be using a different supplier for ice cream machines in Australia!

Turns out European and Asian McDonalds shops typically prefer Carpigniani.

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Except Dairy Queen, Wendy’s, and McDonald’s outside of the U.S. don’t have this problem. Somehow I doubt DQ employees are paid better or are better trained or more diligent about regular maintenance. The difference is they don’t have a machine designed to require expensive maintenance visits with a DRM lockout to retard attempts to maintain it by normal restaurant/HVAC maintenance contractors.

My stint as a EU McD worker did give me a feel of how well scripted low skill labour can feel like pleasant work. I didn’t appreciate it at the time but it was six sigma checklist everything. There is a magic to smooth operation. In all my other jobs (dishwasher, mechanic, cleaner and now 20 yrs in insurance) nobody came close to the McD smoothness of operations. I hope I bring some of this smoothness to the people w…

> My stint as a EU McD worker did give me a feel of how well scripted low skill labour can feel like pleasant work.

Would you care to write some more about this?

I was under impression that scripted work is generally considered bad and makes people feel like cogs in a machine.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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The biggest reason I have read for why machines do not work, or are not being used is due to lack of maintenance, and employees who are trained to do so. (and people quit all the time). Having worked at a fast food join (not McDonalds) much earlier in my life, any lacking maintenance and proper cleaning, especially if there has been a power outage will turn the the machine into a rapid incubator for bacteria that wil…

Good point! People often overlook the fact that these machines need regular maintenance and thorough cleaning to be safe

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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Part of the issue as I understand it, is that the machine is fairly opaque as to why some failures occur can appear somewhat "flaky" as a result. When this occurs during a cleaning cycle, the whole cycle is void and a new 4 hour cycle must be run. If the machine was clear about communicating the issue, it would be fine. It's not and can require a technician to come out with a tool to both read the machine status in d…

McDonald is big enough to change suppliers of machines and impose easy maintenance.

I thought McDonald’s is often locked into long-term contracts with companies

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The biggest reason I have read for why machines do not work, or are not being used is due to lack of maintenance, and employees who are trained to do so. (and people quit all the time). Having worked at a fast food join (not McDonalds) much earlier in my life, any lacking maintenance and proper cleaning, especially if there has been a power outage will turn the the machine into a rapid incubator for bacteria that wil…

people who get angry at the underpaid employees are the worst, treat them like human beings please

Taking out frustration on employees who have zero control over these broken machines is just wrong

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people who get angry at the underpaid employees are the worst, treat them like human beings please

The world would be a better place if more people had to work an underpaid service job at the start of their employment.

It can be a crash course in patience, empathy and humility

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My stint as a EU McD worker did give me a feel of how well scripted low skill labour can feel like pleasant work. I didn’t appreciate it at the time but it was six sigma checklist everything. There is a magic to smooth operation. In all my other jobs (dishwasher, mechanic, cleaner and now 20 yrs in insurance) nobody came close to the McD smoothness of operations. I hope I bring some of this smoothness to the people w…

> My stint as a EU McD worker did give me a feel of how well scripted low skill labour can feel like pleasant work. Would you care to write some more about this? I was under impression that scripted work is generally considered bad and makes people feel like cogs in a machine.

Thanks to not feeling alone in the world (thanks u/oorza). I mentioned this story at work today. Is autonomy a necessary part of work happiness? I don’t think so.

Being part of a staff that manages successful delivery (in this case of food items) where at peak moments you deliver in concerto 10x average throughout, time after time was just good for morale. Plus the general goofing of teens. I don’t remember the things that I currently associate with cogs in the machine (say, scripted unpaid toilet breaks for call centers, or a lack of ownership). You owned your tiny part of the customer experience and was near all other parts.

The cogs in the machine part is imho unsuccessfully scripted work. You can’t live up to your own expectations of proper customer service because you are forced in a mold that doesn’t fit, but can’t fix the mold.

Then comes the part that I’m still thinking about. What’s easier to achieve? Great processes and happiness via lean / kaizen that treat autonomy as foundational or great scripted processes that deliver satisfaction without autonomy.

Complexity and autonomy are probably related. Higher complexity makes scripted processes that fit all exceptions a lot harder. On the other hand my experience is that so-called experts frown upon standardization and quality suffers. I’ve done standardization for professionals and have hoped to find a sweet spot between autonomy and scripted work (The Checklist Manifesto comes to mind). But I must admit those sweet spots are harder to find the less I’m intimately aware of what people do from minute to minute.

Re: We can now fix McDonald's ice cream machines

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In UK McDo often have broken ice-cream machines too, at least where I've been. It seems to be higher incidence than other fastfood outlets (Burger King, KFC), but that might be observer bias. I just figure margins must be low on their ice-creams, so when it's broken they sell more fountain drinks and make more money than they would if the ice-cream machine was fixed.

How can they be low? Here it's nearly 3 euros for a thimble of ice cream lol

Also I would be surprised if people buy a soda instead of ice cream. I believe most either get an ice cream in addition to the menu or specifically because they came for an ice cream.
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