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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Spooky23 »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #187
dchichkov wrote: post #94

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Is there some tax data about the amount of Clean Vehicle/CA and Federal EV credits issued for Cybertruck? The income cap on getting the clean vehicle rebates is $135k ($200k joint filers). And I'm not sure about the federal rebates. Tesla doesn't offer 0% financing, current Cybertruck APR deal is reported to be 5.29% for up to 72 months. So I don't see how someone with the income under the rebate cutoff can afford th…

One fun loophole to get the tax credit is through a lease. A lot of leasing companies pass the full credit on as a straight deduction on the capitalized cost, and you can stack that with other incentives. Lucid had some really ridiculous deal going that was supposedly leasing the >$100k sticker Air GT for $849/mo : https://www.autoblog.com/news/2024-lucid-air-available-from-... I looked into that and there was exactl…

Yup, I leased the new Honda with a trade incentive for $250/mo. When you net out the gas savings, it’s like $190/mo. Ended up getting about $2500 more for my 10 year old trade than Carvana.

The business model is weird, it’s almost like you’re capitalizing the cost of gas, except the gas tank leaks after a few years.

I figure they’ll either deal on a buyout at the end of the lease, I’ll turn it in, or gas prices will go nuts and I’ll be able to flip the car. My brother did that with a Volt - bought it for $18k pre-pandemic sold for $23k in 2021!

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Post by toast0 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #300
toast0 wrote: post #296

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I've not driven a DMC-12, but lack of power steering doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me? All the vehicles I've driven without power steering have been ok; usually the steering wheel is much larger to give you the leverage you need; it's not as bad as you'd think if you've used a car with inoperative power steering. But yeah, I had a nice conversation with a guy who kitted his out as a movie replica at a outdo…

The only car I've driven without power steering was my grandma's 1996 Fleetwood, and I recall turning that absolute aircraft carrier felt like I was trying to close a door on the Red October. Maybe others feel better, I'm honestly not sure.

I'd be surprised if a 1996 Cadillac was available without power steering? That's a big luxury car, and not having power steering doesn't feel very luxurious. I see there is a power steering pump on parts searches, but reviews don't mention it, and the steering wheel in pictures doesn't look too big.

If the power steering on that was inoperative (maybe the pump died or the fluid level was empty, etc), I'm sure it would be a beast to turn in a parking lot though.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by null0pointer »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #111

There was a Cybertruck at the Paris Games Week (there was a Tesla corner in the con for some reason). That was my first time seeing one in person. The most striking thing was how tall it was. Half the kids attending the PGW were smaller than its front bumper. I hope these things never, ever get allowed in France.

I honestly can’t believe they’re street legal anywhere given that the steel panels essentially turn them into a knife driving down the highway.

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Post by dpkirchner »

39896880 wrote: post #284
dpkirchner wrote: post #232

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They don't need to bother. They got competition effectively banned at the border. Now we're stuck with the same mediocrity we've had for decades.

Eh. If foreign carmakers want to compete in the US they can do what Toyota did and set up shop in the US. Employ Americans with market wages and under American labor standards. We had a generation of globalism. It gutted the middle class.

Toyota did that because they saw the value of being in the US based on the then existing demand. Other manufacturers aren't getting that chance, and I'm not convinced those that banned 'em will be willing to let 'em manufacture here. Just look at how they're treating something with basically no stakes: TikTok.

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Post by snapplebobapple »

bko wrote: post #229
Tanoc wrote: post #104

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The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend l…

I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

It feels a lot like rotten tomatoes adience vs critic rating deviations. Here, just like there, the critic scores are irrelevant because they arent the buyer

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Post by rogerrogerr »

wg0 wrote: post #295
moooo99 wrote: post #192

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We can’t escape physics, but we can address physics. Car batteries are usually temperature controlled, they are cooled when fast charging etc. Especially with modern battery tech, you should easily get 200,000km out of the battery before it drops to below 80% of its original capacity

How are they exactly temperature controlled? To control temperature, we would need to circulate something around the cells and that something has to be heated or cooled whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such. Not to mention that such heating/cooling would additionally draw energy thus taking a toll on both the range and battery life.

Tesla has liquid cooling around the cells, a fairly advanced system that can move heat between battery, motors, cabin, and environment in arbitrary directions.

Before just claiming no EVs do this, you could have typed “Tesla battery cooling” into Google and gotten this from the AI thing:

> Tesla vehicles have a built-in battery cooling system that uses an electric pump to circulate coolant and keep the battery's temperature within an optimal range. This helps the battery perform well and last a long time.

Here’s the battery cooling system theory-of-operation from Tesla, for their _first_ car almost two decades ago: https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/Roadster/TheoryOp/1.2....

Here’s someone tearing down a Chevy Bolt battery talking about the coolant system: https://insideevs.com/news/341527/weberauto-examines-the-che...

Here’s an F150 Lightning battery apparently leaking coolant: https://www.lightningowners.com/threads/rear-motor-area-leak...

Please, do a bit more research before spreading damaging falsehoods about EVs.

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Post by 39896880 »

dpkirchner wrote: post #314
39896880 wrote: post #284

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Eh. If foreign carmakers want to compete in the US they can do what Toyota did and set up shop in the US. Employ Americans with market wages and under American labor standards. We had a generation of globalism. It gutted the middle class.

Toyota did that because they saw the value of being in the US based on the then existing demand. Other manufacturers aren't getting that chance, and I'm not convinced those that banned 'em will be willing to let 'em manufacture here. Just look at how they're treating something with basically no stakes: TikTok.

Toyota set up shop in the US in 1981 because the US auto industry and unions lobbied for import restrictions. Then Congress held hearings and threatened legislation, followed by the UAW filing trade complaints.

Then, in the 1981, Japan signed the Voluntary Export Restraint (VER) agreement where they agreed to limit auto exports to the US to 1.68 million vehicles annually. [0]

The US is the second largest auto market in the world.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_export_restraint

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Post by bsder »

dpkirchner wrote: post #314
39896880 wrote: post #284

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Eh. If foreign carmakers want to compete in the US they can do what Toyota did and set up shop in the US. Employ Americans with market wages and under American labor standards. We had a generation of globalism. It gutted the middle class.

Toyota did that because they saw the value of being in the US based on the then existing demand. Other manufacturers aren't getting that chance, and I'm not convinced those that banned 'em will be willing to let 'em manufacture here. Just look at how they're treating something with basically no stakes: TikTok.

> Just look at how they're treating something with basically no stakes: TikTok.

TikTok is a direct channel for Chinese propaganda into the western infosphere.

That is hardly "no stakes".

Yes, the same concerns should also get the other social media giants wings clipped. The EU should keep taking bites out of YouTube, Facebook, etc. too.

TikTok can set up shop in the West. Setting up shop in the West means you are subject to Western laws. We have seen China demonstrate over and over that it will not comply with that.

There is a huge difference in people employed here vs in China--the self-censorship, for one. China relies on the fact that social pressure causes self-censorship even without the intervention of the higher-ups. This is vastly less effective when all the employees are from the US.

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Post by jrflowers »

golol wrote: post #266
d1sxeyes wrote: post #220

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> I've seen no evidence that it is significantly worse for pedestrian safety than an F-150 Serious question: have you looked? Or is there any special reason you imagine that if such evidence existed, you would have seen it? I say this because I spent 10-15 minutes looking for information and gave up because I’m not sure of any tests which I could use to compare the two, or any testing bodies that focus on pedestrian…

I originally thought that the nhtsa would perform some tests of this kind but I was disappointed to find out that this doesn't seem to be the case. Most focus on pedestrian safety seems to be on automatic emergency braking and other ADAS systems. In this regard I claim that by default one should expect the Cybertruck to be at least decent. Not the best but surely not terrible. While the shape of the hood and the visi…

I like the idea that it is “pretentious” to predict — without evidence as you’ve pointed out — that getting hit by a 6,600+lb vehicle is bad but it is not pretentious to confidently predict without evidence that getting hit by a 6,600+lb car is the same as getting hit by a different vehicle that is one to two thousand pounds lighter.

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Post by Nasrudith »

n0n0n4t0r wrote: post #11
tmtvl wrote: post #8

Isn't the Cybertruck that Mad Max looking thing that looks like it will shear you clean in two if it hits you? I'm surprised that's street legal.

That's not in civilized countries (hum, Europe)

Europe using Civilized to refer to themselves only sure has some /really/ ugly history.
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