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Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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Re: Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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Until the next failure comes along that we didn't predict.

Fukushima could have been easily predicted. That’s what passive safety is about.

> Fukushima could have been easily predicted

After such an accident some armchair experts are quite sure that it "could have been easily predicted". Before the accident (to "easily" prevent it) or during it they are nowhere to be found.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41774144

Re: Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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You're essentially arguing that kitchen knives should be banned because a small handful of psychos will murder someone with them. That isn't how this works.

No, because we have ne replacement for kitchen knives. We have a replacement for nuclear: renewables.

Sincerely, please stop talking nonsense.

Renewables can be a complement to other power sources, but to even suggest they can be a "replacement" for nuclear power indicates either naivety or ignorance.

Re: Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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not all eu, just some countries. And those(some that want it) are gradually replacing ru enriched fuel with the one from westinghouse. France and US are boosting local enrichment facilities to replace the russian ones. You'll basically have the same problems with renewables if china would ban export to eu/us

Those are all things that take a looong time and cost a hell lot of money, which could be turned into electricity in 2 years if you'd spend that taxpayer money into renewable technology. The war will be probably over before those countries dependent on Russia will become self-sufficient. This is desperate, keeping alive an outdated technology. France slept on the change and now has to do everything to keep the show r…

scaling is expensive. France too, for enrichment is doing scaling of what they already did, just like Germany (I'm referring to german enrichment plant) :) Nuclear is not an outdated tech, why do you say that? Especially the ap1000 reactor. France slept on building more nuclear and was on path to ditch it, reversed only recently, that's why they are where they are, still - in much better shape than Germany in this regard

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you need to gradually replace renewables, especially for a grid that was gradually deployed. You still can stockpile nuclear, France does have several years worth of fuel for such emergencies. France reprocesses only part of the fuel, is expanding Orano facility, but why is this relevant? They do it and they get additional un-enriched uranium stockpile. WTH dude? Are you just throwing random antinuclear statements ar…

Most materials used by renewables are eternally (at human scale) reusable. In France recycling 95% of the sheer mass of a wind turbine is now mandatory ( https://www.lemoniteur.fr/article/demantelement-des-eolienne... ) > France does have several years worth of fuel Indeed, 'le stock stratégique', about 9 years at best (counting the average amount of uranium already present in reactors). 9 years at best for an overal…

I mean... france really doesn't have a problem with n fuel... It's not just classic stockpiles but the reprocessed ones. Needless to say that imports are pretty diversified - even if one country will ban exports to France, they'll not face total ban from all partners, so in this regard they are indeed lucky.

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Uranium supply is not an issue at all, given that plenty of nations sell it, it is not rare mineral and can be found in abundance. and you need to replenish uranium fuel like once in 5 years - so this is not an issue at all for nuclear energy

> Uranium supply is not an issue I disagree: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41783584 > you need to replenish uranium fuel like once in 5 years At best. Then, if you cannot obtain uranium, your reactor is just a pile of hot waste.

Imo I find such statements like 100-150 years of supply similar to the statements about petroleum supply that was about to end and suddenly with demand, new supply was found, just like with other materials like lithium

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https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Fuel-loading-beg... https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Fuel-for-Chinese... I mean, google is free

Google is free but you linked to a prototype and a “will be” article rather than proven results.

they did build the stuff, so 'catching up' is a pretty correct statement. I didn't say they catched up, for that they'll need much more time and effort, but they do have progress

Re: Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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Man I know this. But the simple undeniable fact is - if nuclear was kept on - even less gas and coal would have been used, it's an obvious thing. Renewables did help ditching some of fossil generation, but with nuclear it would have been even more

And that's different from "it was replaced by coal". You should probably have started with a correct statement, not a falsehood that you had to rephrase into a correct statement.

in the end it's the same. Replaced with coal&gas = more coal&gas was used than it would have been needed with nuclear on

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my OG comment clearly stated 'this year so far'. It's also obvious imports increased if you look per month net imports 2023 vs 2024. It doesn't matter the gateway, net imports do matter. Germany net imported 20TWh in 2024 so far and that's a fact. Germany net imported a lot more from neighbor states compared to last year and again, that's a fact.

The fact which is missing here is how much money Germany made with those trades. As the other commenter wrote: trading, transfers, etc. is normal in the EU grid. You buy cheap, you sell expensive. Just because Germany imports electricity, doesn't mean it has to. The German grid, even in its unfinished state, allows turning off power generation where it doesn't make sense financially, and they can do that fast because…

nuclear can be turned modulated pretty fast too, look at France. We indeed should look at final year balance. Edf indeed needs to sell as much as they can, because of arenh. Afaik it'll end in the end of 2025. "In France, alternative retailers (i.e. those who aren’t EDF) can currently secure regulated access to energy produced by EDF’s existing nuclear fleet under the ARENH mechanism. It places an obligation on EDF to sell up to 100 TWh of nuclear power annually (about 25% of its production in France) at a regulated price of €42/MWh." It's interesting how the things will turn the next year indeed and how edf will handle it's new freedom

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> The source argues that the act of evacuating "just in case" caused deaths and that had people remained in place no such deaths would have occurred. We'll never know. Doing history fiction, a more probable outcome would be a lot of people dying by "natural causes" in the next months. We talk about places that were mostly ghost cities for a decade, for some reason. This common discourse of "but nobody died ever by th…

There is a pool of people who definitely died. That's not in dispute. What is questionable, as you point out, is the application of different tricks and shades of "can't prove, must be nuclear" to claim all deaths in the pool as a direct result of nuclear. As others have pointed out there are similar yearly figures for tenuous "coal deaths" as there are here for seven years of post disaster "evacuation deaths".

Invasive cancer statistics in Japan were compiled for the Fukushima Cancer Registry database and published by the National Cancer Center Japan.

If we review average annual percent change on Thyroid cancer incidence, there was a more or less stable value between 2008 and 2011. Then in 2012 there is a sudden increase of 10,8% on Fukushima, versus a 3,7% for the whole Japan in the same year [1]. Some increase is normal in a population that is growing and aging but a jump, not so much.

We even have a control population: The Tochigi prefecture (at the South of Fukushima and bordering it). This landlocked prefecture has a big industrial complex, including a strong sector of X-ray machines makers. Tochigi has the lower increase on Thyroid cancer of the three between 2011 and 2012 (3,2% increase). [1]

The death ratio didn't changed, but people that is diagnosed with cancer does not die immediately, so just looking for mortality increase that year is a deceptive measure.

So, something happened in 2012 that increased Thyroid cancer on Fukushima more than in the rest of Japan.

Lets assume that we forget all about the elephant in the room, and past experiences where radioactivity accidents typically increased thyroid cancers. How would you explain that? Any alternative hypothesis?

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[1] Shibata A, Saji S, Kamiya K, Yasumura S. Trend in Cancer Incidence and Mortality in Fukushima From 2008 Through 2015. J Epidemiol. 2021 Dec 5;31(12):653-659

(The article covers only up to 2015 to remove artifacts from 2016 when the way to report cancer changed, causing another increase on the registers).

Re: Fukushima Reactor: TEPCO robot aims to extract nuclear fuel

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Fukushima could have been easily predicted. That’s what passive safety is about.

> Fukushima could have been easily predicted After such an accident some armchair experts are quite sure that it "could have been easily predicted". Before the accident (to "easily" prevent it) or during it they are nowhere to be found. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41774144

“What happens if we lose the generators?” is not a hard question to come up with. I have a great imagination and a long career built on, among other things, asking pointed questions. I would have asked that very same question, as well as “how unlikely?” as the next one.
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