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Post by Der_Einzige »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #83
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #68

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But mostly just porn.

I think AI porn is overhyped. We've had the ability to create realistic photos and short vids for over a year now and onlyfans creators are still doing fine. AI porn is just a niche for stuff that humans don't want to perform.

You have no idea how much butthurt their is from specifically artists who draw at the AI NSFW models which exist.

I can trivially fine-tune and create more art from certain artists in an hour than they have produced themselves in their whole careers. This makes a lot of people very upset.

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Post by jppittma »

sonofhans wrote: post #134
jppittma wrote: post #100

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Or maybe, the limiting factor in one's ability to create art will be... creativity rather than the technical skills necessary to make movies, draw, or pluck strings.

Creativity isn’t magic, it’s a skill. There is no creativity without the application of it. By definition creativity produces something. Without skills it’s not possible to produce anything. The act of creating teaches you to be better at creating, in that way and in that context. This is why people with practice and expertise (e.g., professional artists, like screenwriters and musicians) can reliably create new thin…

To an extent. Take cooking for example though- I don't doubt that writing recipes and trying them builds ones creative muscle, on the other hand, I don't think being we'd be at a loss for great chefs if we were to automate the cutting of onions, the poaching of eggs, and the stirring of risotto.

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Post by dagmx »

gcr wrote: post #281

> Upload an image of yourself and transform it > into a personalized video. Movie Gen’s > cutting-edge model lets you create personalized > videos that preserve human identity and motion. A stalker’s dream! I’m sure my ex is going to love all the videos I’m going to make of her! Jokes aside, it’s a little bizarre to me that they treat identity preservation as a feature while competitors treat that as a bug, explicitl…

Meta aren’t exactly known for responsible use of technology.

I would expect nothing less of Zuck than to imbue a culture of “tech superiority at all costs” and only focus on the responsible aspect when it can be a sales element.

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Post by zoogeny »

turblety wrote: post #127

Why do these video generation ones never become usable to the public. Is it just they had to create millions of videos and cherry pick only a handful of decent generations? Or is it just so expensive there's no business model for it? My mind instantly assumes it a money thing and they're just wanting to charge millions for it, therefore out of reach for the general public. But then with Meta's whole stance on open ai…

There are a few available to the public. runway.ai and kling are a couple that I see heavily used on Twitter.

I pay for runway right now for experiments and it works. The problem is that maybe 1 out of 10 prompts result in something useable. And when I say useable I have pretty low standards. Since the model pumps out 5 or 10 second clips you have to be pretty creative since the models still struggle with keeping any kind of consistency between shots. Things like lighting, locations, characters can all morph within/between cips.

The issue isn't quality exactly, it is like 80% there. When it works, it is capable of blowing your mind. You can get something that looks like it is a bonafide Hollywood shot. But that is a single 5 second or 10 second clip. So far there is no easy way to reliably piece those together to make even a 1 minute long TikTok.

The real problem is the cost. Since you have to sometimes do 10 prompts to get a single acceptable shot it is like a 10x multiplier on the cost per second of video. That can get very expensive for even short experiments.

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Post by boogieknite »

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

Im hopeful US will have some subsidy for real creative works like ive seen in europe.

My limited understanding is that AI could generate Netflix top 10 hits that mostly recycle familiar jokes. The creators made a great product, but i expect anyone who attended film school would rather try something new, only issue is Netflix wont foot the bill (i know, they take a few oscar swings a year now).

Recent examples: TV Glow, Challengers, Strange Darling. All movies with specific, unique perspectives, visuals, acting choices, scripts, shots, etc. Think about the perspective in The Wire, The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm. There is plenty of great work that obviously is nearly impossible to reproduce by an AI and i hope that AI "art" is taxed in a way that funds human projects.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Bloedcoins wrote: post #188
spacebanana7 wrote: post #83

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I think AI porn is overhyped. We've had the ability to create realistic photos and short vids for over a year now and onlyfans creators are still doing fine. AI porn is just a niche for stuff that humans don't want to perform.

'still' We have not had the ability to create interesting ai porn vids yet. How would we? Meta just showed movie gen. But i'm pretty sure the short images of moving woman very subtle might gotten the one or other of. Just wait a little bit until you can really create wat you are looking for.

You obviously have not spent any time on civit.ai if you're saying that.

What scares me most is that in my opinion, by far the best prompt writers are the ones who are deeply "motivated" and "experienced" with prompting. Often the best prompters have only one hand on the keyboard at a time.

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Post by dagmx »

chucky_z wrote: post #241
sourraspberry wrote: post #20

Impressive. Always important to bear in mind that the examples they show are likely the best examples they were able to produce. Many times over the past few years a new AI release has "wowed" me, but none of them resulted in any sudden overnight changes to the world as we know it. VFX artists: You can sleep well tonight, just keep an eye on things!

VFX artists cannot sleep well, they're already being displaced with AI or being forced to use it to massively increase their output. Here's an example thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1e4zdj7/in_the_climate... I am not trying to be negative, however it is the reality that ML/LLM has eliminated entire industries. Medical transcription for example is essentially gone.

That thread you linked doesn’t seem to align at all with your claims though? The majority of comments do not make the claim that they’re using any GenAI elements.

As someone who’s worked in the industry previously and am quite involved still, very few studios are using it because of the lack of direction it can take and the copyright quagmire. There are lots of uses of ML in VFX but those aren’t necessarily GenAI.

GenAI hasn’t had an effect on the industry yet. It’s unlikely it will for a while longer. Bad business moves from clients are the bigger drain, including not negotiating with unions and a marked decline in streaming to cover lost profits.

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

psychoslave wrote: post #269
lairv wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure, I see a common pattern with autonomous vehicle, text to image, llms: the last 10% are hard to achieve

I don’t know, for a car the last 10% has a direct relation with "people die" that is obvious to everyone. With the movie made in anyone basement, the risks are far less likely to create such a vivid perception of dramatic end result. Not that cyber-bullying and usurpation schemes escalating a whole new level being less of a concern in the aftermaths, to be clear.

Less about risk parallels and more about control parallels. The last 10% of fine grained control over a system is hard. Like every time I’ve done text to image prompting and it gives me a great starting point, but cannot get certain details i want, no matter how i ask.

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Post by zoogeny »

I wonder how they will package this as a product. I mean, there is some advantage to keeping the tool proprietary and wrapping it in a consumer product for Instagram/Facebook.

What I hope (since I am building a story telling front-end for AI generated video) is that they consider b2c and selling this as a bulk service over an api.

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Post by sroussey »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #234
riskable wrote: post #172

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> How is any of this going to lead to meaningful art? Nearly all the movies that go to theaters aren't "meaningful art". Not only that but what's meaningful to you isn't necessarily what's meaningful to others. If someone can get their own personal "Godzilla VS The Iron Giant" crossover made into a feature-length film it will be meaningful to them .

You'll never be able to talk to your friends about it. Culture wouldn't be a shared experience. We would all watch our own unique AI generated things.

More likely there will be cliches.
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