Earlier quoted context omitted.
[flagged]
[flagged]
[flagged]
Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
311–320 of 1001 posts
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#312while blowing up a one-way comm device might make sense to intel agencies and countries, I am curious about the decision to blow up hand-helds instead of listening in on them undetected.
It is a little odd. I feel like Mossad didn’t do this just for fun? I can only guess what they’re trying to achieve
Demoralization of the enemy. Every single Hezbollah member is now paranoid that every single surface they touch is either listening to them or trying to kill them.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#313It makes me wonder how Israel can achieve something like this while simultaneously not being aware of the Oct 7 attacks.
News reports say that Israel had copies of the Oct 7 plans but found it impossible to believe and were convinced hamas didn’t want all out war.
Similar to Pearl Harbor where we also had intelligence of the attack I suppose…
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#314Imagine the paranoia that must be flooding Hezbollah right now. You can't function without your electronics...but you can't trust them at all now. You don't even know how many or which of your gadgets have been compromised to spy on you and for how long. Massive, massive L.
Massive, massive L for Israel. No one in their right mind is going to use Israeli tech or products going forward. They just devastated their own economy.
These weren't Israeli products. If I were Mossad, I'd compromise anything except an Israeli or Jewish-owned product.
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#315I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…
Terrorism targets civilian populations. This operation, as described, targets Hezbollah militants.
That feels like an oversimplification to me. Some of those devices have surely injured civilians. I think the question is how many. Broadly it's the same question that's plagued Israel's actions since last October: there will always be civilian casualties as a result of military action, but how many is too many?
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#316Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allegedly hidden well enough that a casual X-ray of the pager wouldn't have revealed it.
Interesting that it wasn't discovered by any bomb sniffing dog in Lebanon. They had thousands of devices. There must be at least a few bomb dogs in Lebanon right?
"According to Sky News Arabia; Mossad was able to Inject a Compound of Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate (PETN) into the Batteries of the New Encrypted Pagers that Hezbollah began using around February, before they even arrived in the Hands of Hezbollah Members, allowing them to Remotely Overheat and Detonate the Lithium Battery within the Device."
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#318Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I can't say I'm a big fan of this massive scale booby trapping devices all over civilian society and I suspect most nation stats are not very happy about this either. The EU is probably not going to be happy at all about Israel using an EU flagged company to do it either. This is going to create a lot of distrust in the international supply chain.
> This is going to create a lot of distrust in the international supply chain. Is it? If your threat model includes Mossad (or really any nation state) then you shouldn't have trusted those devices in the first place. Even if you didn't have "tiny explosives" on your bingo card, certainly bugs (hardware or software) should've been on there. Given that those pagers are commonly used by doctors and none of them have be…
For instance, when Apollo Gold lisenced their pagers to a little known hungarian company, having their brand used as a bomb delivery device in the middle-east was not something they would have had on their list of potential brand risks.
So now companies engaged in international business not only have to consider exposure to the usual fraud, but also if their counterpart is actively malicious.
It's also likely going to make nation states start thinking about supply chains they maybe didn't before. How do you know someone didn't put explosives in your mice, keyboards, monitors, headsets and various other things that were probably manufactured in china?
Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say
#320Imagine the paranoia that must be flooding Hezbollah right now. You can't function without your electronics...but you can't trust them at all now. You don't even know how many or which of your gadgets have been compromised to spy on you and for how long. Massive, massive L.
Massive, massive L for Israel. No one in their right mind is going to use Israeli tech or products going forward. They just devastated their own economy.
Depends on which side you are on.