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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by signalToNose »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

Not all tech is a destined to be all encompassing.

VR has been “the next big thing” for more than 50 years. VR was invented in 1968

Video phone was invented way back. (1936). It took a very long time to be common and in frequent use. And it’s still not a killer feature.

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Post by freetanga »

vlovich123 wrote: post #256
what wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where can you vacation for $1000?

The fidelity of a real local $1000 experience vs a fake one is a lot different even if you can’t travel as far.

Especially when that hallmark moment is left behind by Tim Cook deciding the format or platform legacy and no longer supported.

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Post by freetanga »

aurareturn wrote: post #230
conductr wrote: post #225

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I want to believe you but until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. It’s a toy. People don’t need a teleportation device. It’s fun to play with, like a toy. It doesn’t really solve enough of a “real” problem to justify the current cost. It’s also too expensive to be given as a holiday or birthday gift by most family members. I believe the “just give it a few years thing” but only if…

I think it will have a market at $2000. MacBook Pros are 50% of Mac sales and they start at $2000.

You can use them (MBPs) to actually make money. AVPs mostly make money to 2-bit YouTube influencers making videos about it…

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Post by Towaway69 »

Simon_ORourke wrote: post #298
conductr wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to believe you but until the price range becomes below $1000 or so there’s virtually no market. It’s a toy. People don’t need a teleportation device. It’s fun to play with, like a toy. It doesn’t really solve enough of a “real” problem to justify the current cost. It’s also too expensive to be given as a holiday or birthday gift by most family members. I believe the “just give it a few years thing” but only if…

> It doesn’t really solve enough of a “real” problem to justify the current cost Exactly this, for now the minimal use cases for these kinds of high-end VR headsets leave them firmly in the "gimmick" category. I'm pretty sure some mass-market use case will be found for them, maybe even outside of gaming, but the fact that some pretty smart people haven't found this one already is a teensey-tiny bit worrying too.

By what the OP describes, these devices could become a limited but perhaps “profound” replacement for flying thousands of kms to have a holiday.

Or to have “power holidays” similar to a Power Nap, where you use an VR/AR device to relive a holiday for 5/10 mins.

Or to have “preview holidays” to experience a destination before booking a flight there.

If travel agents still existed, then they would be a perfect market for these VR devices but travel agents have long gone the way of the dinosaurs.

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Post by adamors »

FileSorter wrote: post #254
Animats wrote: post #227

As Carmack (the game guy, head of Oculus, etc.) says, until the headgear gets down to swim goggle size, it's not going to get any traction, and until it gets down to eyeglass size, it's not going mainstream. The Apple Vision Pro was an unexpected dud. Something more eyeglass sized, with phone-like functionality and good design, would have been more in line with Apple's aesthetic. Instead, it was another half brick on…

This is HackerNews, we all know who Carmack is. >Apple Vision Pro was an unexpected dud ??? Just about everyone (even diehard Apple fanboys) knew this would flop.

I agree with you, I don't know of anybody who looked at the price combined with the form factor and concluded it will be a hit.

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Post by sabbaticaldev »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

> Give it a few years

you can give it 50 years. with the trash treatment apple gives developers, they won’t ever again release a new successful platform like iphone. They burnt the bridge to get there

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Post by nprateem »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163

If you’re asking yourself: Why are all these giant companies going hard on AR and repeatibly in cycles it’s for one reason: Egocentric data and full control of the highest bandwidth human I/O (vision + sound) is the most important possible data pipeline to get Its the penultimate data pipe, with direct connection to the brain being the ultimate data pipe (see:Neuralink) Every company that is winning and going to win…

No it's because they need to have a growth plan and developing massive new markets is what shareholders have wet dreams about.

Failure is irrelevant. It keeps the share price high while they try other things at the same time.

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Post by nine_k »

what wrote: post #260
vlovich123 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fidelity of a real local $1000 experience vs a fake one is a lot different even if you can’t travel as far.

That doesn’t really answer the question. What real local experience can you have for $1000 that isn’t in your back yard?

OK, if you live in (Western) Europe, you can go, say, from Netherlands or Sweden to fabulous places like Barcelona or Rome or Istanbul, all very different, picturesque, and not hugely expensive. A flight, if you time it well, could cost less than €100, or even €60..

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Post by adamors »

deisteve wrote: post #180
Der_Einzige wrote: post #112

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Watching the same dynamic play out in GenAI. Stability AI refused to cater to this crowd (the chief actual users of their models) and are paying like hell for it. The reality is that coomers ARE the market for a lot of GenAI, no matter how much puritans don't want to admit it.

its incredible how different the West is to Japan the lack of judeo-christian moral nannyism hardly means a dangerous society but a peaceful one just look at all the accusations on X and calling Japan weird and worse

I'm not a christian, but I wouldn't call this judeo-christian morals, just puritanism and purely an American mindset that is completely alien in other Western (mostly christian!) countries. I also don't associate puritanism with Israel either, so the "judeo" part is another misnomer.

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Post by khazhoux »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #255
khazhoux wrote: post #172

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AVP is for when I want to binge Fallout in 2 days on a jaw dropping huge screen floating above me, when my fam has no interest in watching five minutes of it.

Your fam doesn't find it weird when you're strapped into a slightly smaller Daft Punk helmet for 2 entire days, just taking breaks to eat and do basic hygiene? Maybe you can say it's the best movie watching experience ever. Id rather watch a movie on a $20 TV from Craigslist with my wife. Even if she hates it, we bond over it and that matters more, imo

Most people would not see any problem in spending 8 hours over two days enjoying an activity by oneself.

I can guarantee that if you watched 5 minutes of Dune or Gravity on your $20 (or $2000) TV and then on an AVP, you would say: “Oh, I see.” I’ve randomly paused in those movies (and Kill Bill, and others) just to marvel at the artistry of the cinematographer. The device provides a unique and, frankly, stunning visual experience, which I think is hard to understand with seeing it oneself.

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