Russ Cox is stepping down as the Go tech lead

Post by rsc » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:45 PM UTC

carapace wrote: post #81

alphazard wrote: post #56

> I don’t believe that the “BDFL” (benevolent dictator for life) model is healthy for a person or a project It's interesting that the best projects have BDFLs, and that the best BDFLs are skeptical of their own power.

The whole idea is a joke, it's right there in the name. It was a recognition of the "facts on the ground" of GvR's role as the creator of Python, it was never seriously meant as a principle of project management. It's descriptive not prescriptive, eh? The idea got reified all out of hand.

Post by quectophoton » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:45 PM UTC

hop_n_bop wrote: post #296

quectophoton wrote: post #287

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To be fair, with Go it's still painful to work with private repositories. And I'm invoking Cunningham's Law here when I say there's no convenient way to do so. If you want to use a private repository (let's say it's a private GitHub repository), then you either have to do it the bad way (setting up your own GOPROXY and setting it up securely, which implies also ensuring it's not leaking your source code elsewhere for…

1) git config --global url.ssh://git@github.com/.insteadOf https://github.com/ 2) export GOPRIVATE='github.com/_company/*'

Post by rsc » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:48 PM UTC

remus wrote: post #235

mseepgood wrote: post #36

Please make more Ivy videos

I think you might be thinking of Rob Pike's project, unless Russ has been involved? https://github.com/robpike/ivy

Post by dgb23 » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:49 PM UTC

SatvikBeri wrote: post #113

darby_nine wrote: post #68

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I don't think this is true. Python had a BDFL and it didn't seem to benefit much from it. I'm not sure what other projects this attitude draws from. Off-hand I'd guess it causes less drama but no appreciable increase of quality, just like other forms of bureaucracy. Meanwhile there's entire landfills of failed projects with single owners who couldn't bend enough. We just don't find this worth discussing. Of course th…

Here are some other projects that benefited from BDFLs in my opinion: * Keras * Ruby * Clojure * Zig * OCaml * Vim * Elixir I think all of these have ended up being unusually coherent. I may not agree with their design philosophy, but there clearly is one.

Post by rsc » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:54 PM UTC

liveoneggs wrote: post #252

jgowdy wrote: post #130

Is the new tech lead more likely to get rid of the glibc-isms that Golang won't let go of, like crashing if non-ELF standard parameters like env aren't passed in ELF library initialization, or maybe supporting global-dynamic thread local storage so we can dlopen() shared objects made in Go on platforms that don't hack like glibc? Go's obsession with glibc-isms is really unfortunate, and it's been many years. If you'r…

golang's priority is "works inside of google" and everything else tends to be a bit of a fight