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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by gruez »

jerojero wrote: post #291
tomcar288 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but this is the nature of all employed work: "submissive attitude toward the boss." Even if you're the CEO of a major corporation, you still have a submissive attitude towards shareholders.

It's rare but some people work in co-ops. Though I guess you could say they are not doing "employed work"? In any case, there's forms of labour out there that can be more empowering to the worker.

>It's rare but some people work in co-ops. Though I guess you could say they are not doing "employed work"?

Aren't you still beholden to the board (which theoretically is elected by you, but still)?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by beaglesss »

throwaway290 wrote: post #303
beaglesss wrote: post #228

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Yep. My county deregulated housing. Literally no code checks. A permit was me drawing a square on a map, paying a few hundred bucks and it was rubber stamped in a few days. It was an absolute godsend. I built the house myself for 1/3 the price of even a clapped out trailer. Sure I could have built a firetrap but I have to live in the fucking house, so I did the best with what I can afford. We all have to live somehow…

Does this mean any random communist party elite from across the pond can do the same? They have enough bucks to draw squares all over your county

There is no regulation on buying or building here based on citizenship, come on over. I don't like communism but I believe they ought to have equal property rights regardless of their political opinion or national origin.

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Post by carlosjobim »

energy123 wrote: post #47
lenerdenator wrote: post #2

We didn't want young men to do anything. We wanted ever-increasing returns for shareholders, and that meant moving factories (where these young men's grandfathers were working 60 years ago) overseas while doing nothing on the whole to retrain the workforce. We got the shareholder returns. Too bad that can't buy a functional society for people born after 1980.

Gen Z are the richest generation in all of American history on a median per-capita real income basis, compared to older generations when they were the same age. And it's not even close. Millenials are the second richest in American history. The only problem is housing. Any discussion not focused 100% on housing is not grounded in reality.

Your numbers are by definition wrong, since young people would not have a problem to afford housing if they were "the richest generation".

I guess this is the progress of new-speak? We've had a decade of people saying "oh, people are so rich today that they don't want to have children". Now it's "oh, people are so rich today that they don't want to have homes". In a few years it will be "oh, people are so rich today that they don't want to eat food or have medical care".

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by reginald78 »

ryandrake wrote: post #197
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #157

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Most doctors refuse to perform sterilization procedures on young people, at least until after they have had children. After all, what if they change their minds? My girlfriend couldn’t get hers done until she was over 30.

This decision really needs to be removed from the hands of doctors, as long as there is no physical risk to the patient.

All surgical sterilization procedures come with physical risk, and many other birth control does as well.

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Post by gruez »

underlipton wrote: post #252
SoftTalker wrote: post #235

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As long as you're not tearing down 10 units to build 5, more supply is more supply. Doesn't matter nearly as much whether they are luxury or basic.

Not if the investors are willing to warehouse units to keep prices high, rather than lower prices in order to sell. If prices of luxury units are high enough, you're talking a significant percentage of units that can just be held while investors still break even or profit. Why lock in a loss or low profit (and, in doing so, hurt the value of your other holdings)?

>Not if the investors are willing to warehouse units to keep prices high, rather than lower prices in order to sell.

Source this is happening?

>Why lock in a loss or low profit (and, in doing so, hurt the value of your other holdings)?

Because you have to pay upkeep on those units so they don't fall apart, and repay the bonds you raised to build those luxury condos in the first place?

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Post by criddell »

Jeema101 wrote: post #74

The article seems to contain a lot of hand-wringing about upper class' beliefs allegedly harming lower class families, but I don't see any mention about the main change in the labor force since 1960 - namely the participation rate of women. Men probably work less nowadays simply because it's easier to do in a two-income household vs a one-income household.

The article also said "Those who sit at or near the apex of the social ladder (who decide what behaviors are prestigious) have decided that family stability is unimportant."

Who is at the apex of the social ladder? Am I?

I wish the author had expanded on this a little more because that feels like a high leverage point.

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Post by axoltl »

philwelch wrote: post #278
ryandrake wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This decision really needs to be removed from the hands of doctors, as long as there is no physical risk to the patient.

You think doctors should be forced to perform procedures they don’t want to perform?

The current version of the Hippocratic Oath says this:

""" I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures that are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. """

Which does not include "except those I don't feel like doing".

The Declaration of Geneva states the following:

""" THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration; I WILL RESPECT the autonomy and dignity of my patient; """

Which I read to similarly state that a doctor's own preferences as to the procedures is necessarily secondary.

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Post by HumblyTossed »

morsch wrote: post #256
HumblyTossed wrote: post #127

Men* have to have a purpose for being. They will either find a constructive one or a destructive one. If they fail at either, they'll find a way to self-destruct. It's really that simple. * Can't speak for women.

Why would you be able to speak for all men?

Because I'm right.

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Post by throwaway290 »

beaglesss wrote: post #312
throwaway290 wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this mean any random communist party elite from across the pond can do the same? They have enough bucks to draw squares all over your county

There is no regulation on buying or building here based on citizenship, come on over. I don't like communism but I believe they ought to have equal property rights regardless of their political opinion or national origin.

I'd worry if they build a casino or some ugly polluting sun blocking high rise condo in my back yard :)

I disagree with you but applaud the principle :shrug:

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Post by hnthrow289570 »

relaxing wrote: post #191
nikanj wrote: post #108

We expect young men to grow up and become "husband material". Due to various changes (standards for husbands rising, economic opportunity diminishing), this goal has become clearly unreachable for many. I would opt out if I was a poor young man today, and focus on enjoying the small pleasures (drinking with my buddies, playing PS5). The hill they are expected to climb is ludicrous, and I am not surprised they respond…

Damn. This is the first I’m hearing I wasn’t allowed to have a job AND play PS5. I’ll have to rectify this at once. What are the rising standards though? Not beating your wife?

>What are the rising standards though?

If you're on a dating app, that's one impression of the dating pool, so it's no wonder some dudes take the 6'0"+, $100k+, abs or gtfo lists seriously

And if you are wondering why they are being heavily influenced by that, gestures to article

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