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Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Just a suggestion. One of the best features of pure text editors (and incredible, not all of them implement it) is autosave keeping the "unsaved" state of the file. For example, if you make some changes in a file (new or not), don't save the changes, close and open the editor, the state of the opened files are kept like I never had closed the editor. The unsaved files are still unsaved. New edited files are still the…

Jetbrains ides even have something like a shadow git.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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I use Helix and feel the same way. The pickers/fuzzy finder particularly have no equal for speed in any editor I’ve found. (Zed seems pretty fast but I didn’t get on well enough with it to find out how it performs with more serious use.) fwiw I’ve also found the configuration overhead much lower with Helix than for pretty much any other editor I’ve seriously used.

This makes me want to use Helix, because while I love the idea of a terminal editor, I'm not the kind of person to whittle away a day screwing around with my config files.

Helix has been stalled for a few months, and there are issues that make it frustrating to use at times. For example, :Ex and friends have been relegated to the plugin system (the root cause of the stall, it hasn't been merged). I still prefer it to the config overhead of nvim (as well as the kakoune-style movements!), but the paper cuts have hit a threshold and I've started writing my own text editor (I'd probably use Zed, were it not for lack of kakoune movement support): https://youtu.be/Nzaba0bCMdo?si=00k0D6ZfOUF8OLME

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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I don't use vanilla xeyes but I use the Window Maker dockapp version ( https://bstern.org/wmeyes/ ) to make it easier to find my cursor on the screen.

Ha. KDE 6 has something like if you jiggle the cursor a certain way, it temporarily grows larger. Better than Windows's function of "hide all my windows"...

Pressing some key a few times in Windows highlights your cursor. I just can't remember what it was (Ctrl I think)

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

#314

I don't see any way to monetize a free text editor but I see that they're hiring and also hired talented devs like Thorsten Ball already. What's the business model here?

From their FAQ: We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as: Channels and calls Chat Channel notes We plan to allow offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge. https://zed.dev/faq#how-will-you-make-money

i.e. very similar to how other editors approach it

e.g. vscode uses network features to make people use the non fully open source version instead of codium (and it's otherwise subventioned by MS to reach the part of the editor/programmer market visual studio can't reach but IMHO if it wouldn't be that is also how they would bring in the money)

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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Man, I'm conflicted. I mean, Zed works pretty damn well. So far my biggest annoyance with Zed though is that it's constantly trying to download language servers and other tools and run them. And sure, that's handy, but 1. I don't really want it, I'd much rather only use distribution-provided tools. 2. It doesn't work at all on NixOS, so it's just wasting its time and our bandwidth constantly downloading and trying to…

> It doesn't work at all on NixOS Doesn't it work with: zed-fhs = pkgs.buildFHSUserEnv { name = "zed"; targetPkgs = pkgs: with pkgs; [ zed-editor ]; runScript = "zed"; }; Still not ideal though.

Oh sure, you can create an FHS and have it work, though personally I wouldn't. After all, Zed itself actually does work without an FHS, it's just that any binaries it tries to download will not. Which is actually not a huge problem in my case.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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I use Helix and feel the same way. The pickers/fuzzy finder particularly have no equal for speed in any editor I’ve found. (Zed seems pretty fast but I didn’t get on well enough with it to find out how it performs with more serious use.) fwiw I’ve also found the configuration overhead much lower with Helix than for pretty much any other editor I’ve seriously used.

This makes me want to use Helix, because while I love the idea of a terminal editor, I'm not the kind of person to whittle away a day screwing around with my config files.

It's the main reason I switched from Neovim. I didn't want to maintain a thousand lines of Lua of stuff to have a good baseline editor. I only wanted to maintain my configuration idiosyncracies on top of an editor with good defaults. I think there are Neovim distributions that accomplish mostly the same thing, but then I fell in love with Helix's Kakoune-inspired differences.

Give it a try! It's lovely.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

#317

I tried zed for a few weeks because I'm generally sympathetic to the "use a native app" idea vs Electron. I generally liked it and its UX but: 1. VSCode is pretty damn fast to be honest. Very rarely is my slowdown in my work VSCode loading. Maybe I don't open very large files? Probably 5k lines of typescript at most. 2. Integration with the Typescript language server was just not as good as VSCode. I can't pin down e…

Okay, call me weird, but why our standards have fallen so low? VSCode may appear fast, but still has massive latency. The Zed website claims 97ms. I can feel it is laggy. Why can't we have response time under 1ms? Even 5ms would be a massive improvement. For me latency is a massive productivity killer as it feels like walking in a swamp and it always puts me off.

A typical 60 Hz screen refresh is 16.7 ms

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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My only problem with VSCode is that it's owned by Microsoft. I'm willing to put up with some extra friction if it allows me to escape their ecosystem even a little bit. My general rule is if I can get at most of what I need from the open source version of something, I use it. Even if it's less user friendly.

but vscode is open source: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode and there are third-party builds from the community that disable things like telemetry: https://vscodium.com/

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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> Zed requires a physical GPU with a Vulkan 1.3 driver.

That's new. Does everyone running Linux have a dedicated GPU these days? Only caught this because I'm in the middle of updating my nvidia driver.

Re: Zed on Linux Is Here

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| among the engineers there are a significant number of people who believe that's how things should be There are close to zero people who tend to think like that among actual engineers . That's why we have reliable transportation and bridges and skyscrapers that work for (soon to be) centuries. On the other hand, we have lots of them among self-professed "engineers" who have changed many monikers over the past couple…

Can we please instead interpret people's comments in a charitable manner, as we can reasonably assume they were intended, not in the manner that allows us to pick pedantic fights with them?

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