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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by Teever »

causal wrote: post #306
Teever wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true and what's more is that's what so fucked up about this discussion. They would literally rather suffer with the kind of impressive surveillance and advertising that Microsoft heaps on them rather than change themselves and the tools they can/could use for the better. It's the epitome of learned helplessness.

Those users can't really use anything that's not OEM anyway, so Linux isn't ever gonna threaten Microsoft. Apple is the only realistic alternative.

press X to Doubt.

I have a friend from HS who had no interest in computers beyond using them as appliances until he asked me how to extend the life of a shitty laptop that he owned and I suggested that he install Linux on it.

This was about 20s ago now and between now and then he's become a distrohopping person who is quite knowledgeable in hardware with no impetus from me beyond the initial push.

I look at what rural farmers can do when push comes to shove in all kinds of domains and I wonder why not with the general public and computers.

If we had a Cuban embargo type scenario where westerners couldn't get modern hardware and the operating systems that run on it they'd figure out how to.make.die with the cheapest and most reliable software/hardware combo.

People don't grow to learn new skills because they aren't pressed to by circumstance not because they can't.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by monkeydreams »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I worked it out when the (actively) working on broke compilation after returning from my lunch break. If MS can't get OneDrive to work well with Visual Studio then what hope is there for true third-party products?

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Post by DEADMINCE »

Fauntleroy wrote: post #120
okanat wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data they collect for the AI and the advertising opportunities enable more profits and more revenue to keep infinite growth happening. Even with Azure, even with Github and everything else. If you're not using all the profit opportunities, you are not delivering enough. The economic system doesn't reward or demand stable profits or sustainable growth, it demands compound growth.

This, exactly. Things will only continue to get more shitty as long as the expectation, and often requirement, for businesses with investors is to make infinite money, forever.

Or until republicans ruin the earth and make things bad enough that even they agree to introduce legislation relegating what businesses can do to the extent other developed countries have.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by DEADMINCE »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #109
IshKebab wrote: post #60

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Windows 10 is very solid. I'm going to assume it will get updates for about as long as Windows XP did... I'll re-evaluate when they actually EoL it. Who knows, maybe that will be the year of the Linux desktop! (Spoilers: no.)

Next October (2025) is the end of the road, because my desktop can't be upgraded to Win11 and they tell me that about once a month.

> they tell me that about once a month.

So fix that.

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Post by bee_rider »

passwordoops wrote: post #96
bee_rider wrote: post #78

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For now. The kids (incoming college students over the last couple years) like Google’s office suite better as far as I’ve seen. Anyway, real documents are written in LaTeX. Windows lives in this in-between space where it isn’t as easy Google/Apple stuff, but it isn’t as good as Linux. That gap is always closing.

"real documents are written in LaTeX" Tell me you've never had a job in the real world without telling me you've never had a job in the real world

You should learn it, it produces much nicer looking documents.

Anyway if you want to edit word documents properly you have to unzip them and then write XML (eww). So this is the easiest option.

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Post by DEADMINCE »

ziddoap wrote: post #297
Aeglaecia wrote: post #296

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having performed the oobe bypass , it has not been possible on machines by some vendors , while continuing to work on others ... on a side note it seems hypocritical to use anecdotal evidence while denying others the opportunity ...

> use anecdotal evidence while denying others the opportunity ... They said "It's not possible to install a local account any more." . I'm sure you can understand why my own memories of just recently doing the apparently impossible thing will hold more weight -- to me at least -- than a comment saying the thing I just did is impossible. That might not be super convincing to an outside reader, but for me the alternati…

> but for me the alternative is to conclude that I'm having a multi-day hallucination.

Or that you didn't consider all relevant factors, like if you used the latest image like the other use did, as they asked?

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Post by mianos »

walterbell wrote: post #159
mianos wrote: post #87

At least a Mac alllows you to have a local account without iCloud. We are not allowed iCloud accounts on our work lappies due to the risk of client data leakage. It seems to me, unless the Microsoft cloud is 100% trusted you would not be able to use it at many places. (We do have centrally managed computers and accounts).

> We are not allowed iCloud accounts on our work lappies Is it possible to have an Apple account for apps and security updates, without iCloud? On iOS, the default login panel in Settings will sign into both iCloud and App Store. To avoid iCloud, one must use the App Store app to sign into "Media and Purchases", rather than using Settings .

Yes. It would be a pretty useless lappy if I did not get updates. Oh, no app store as well. Installations come through something called jamf. Updates are controlled centrally. In fact if you find one of our lappies on the street, it's pretty much useless as it's somehow connected to apple and our account. A full install from USB comes right up to a work login. I got a broken one once and fixed it (PCB level repair) thinking I'll just use it myself as it was to be thrown out. In the end I just sent it back to the mothership.

I have a home desktop as well, and I don't find the work one much harder to use.

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Post by malfist »

amanzi wrote: post #134
malfist wrote: post #79

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I think a company, without my permission, copying my personal files to their server is the definition of not a good decision

Note that this is only during set-up, so at that point you don't have any personal files on the machine. And this is only if you're logging in with a Microsoft account with a valid OneDrive account. The article is light on details, but I assume (hope) there's some UI to explain what's going on.

This isn't only during setup. The article says it turns on backing up of your user folder. Which even if it doesn't have anything on install, will soon

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Post by [deleted] »

dan-robertson wrote: post #193
pseudalopex wrote: post #151

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They had a motive. Not justification.

Having external backups set up correctly is pretty good for users, and I think that would justify trying to make it more of a default. This seems pretty obvious to me, but I expect if Microsoft did surveys they would find people complaining about how terrible losing a document or disk was for them in the past. I don’t know what ‘explicitly chosen not to use it’ means, but I think you or I would probably consider such…

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