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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Could instead be like the US where citizens aren't even allowed to read parts of the spying laws that apply to them. The endgame being to surreptitiously bug every device and application with local scanning; changes in ToS that allow this invasion are helpfully conflated with the same language a corpo would use if they wanted to train models on your content.

The documents for chat control got leaked by the press. Nothing was released by the EU.

Source?

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.

There is: EU citizens can engage their peers in dialogue on how this behaviour is terrible and they can try their darnedest to convince their peers to never vote for politicians who are part of the problem.

I would prefer to have decentralised government. This centralised rules for millions doesn't work and eventually escalate badly.

Just because we give up our responsibility to electorate in hope that they solve our problems. How could they possibly do that for millions of individuals with different problems and needs?

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Sure, I can vote people into office, and after their tenure they disappear. But I can't vote their incompetent arses out of offices or prevent them from ever getting elected again when they display blatant disregard for human rights.

Yeah my idea was people need a positiv or a negative vote. Honestly I would mostly vote negative also against a Candidate.

Idea of voting - giving up our responsibility to electorate - is wrong in scale like centralised EU.

You cannot solve problems for millions idividuals by centralised regulations.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.

Replace your national government during national elections.

Your vote doesn't matter and most likely wont change anything.

Divide and conquer.

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I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.

There is: stop electing the people that make these decisions in positions that can land them in the EU Council.

Your vote alone doesn't change anything.

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The "EU" is not "greenlighting" that proposal this week. The Council of the EU will vote on their negotiation stance, which is merely one step in the legislative process, after which the Commission (which is pro-scanning) and the parliament (which is broadly against it) will get involved.

It is still possible to contact your EU permanent representative group via email. Op link in "what to do" section has a precompiled email which you can send to your permanent representation group. As little as it may be, I sent it to the Italian representative group, to the team that oversees telecommunications Edit if you're Italian you can find the email(s) here, scroll to trasporti e telecomunicazioni https://ital…

It shows one common email and website doesn't work for Czechia.

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> If you take right and cut out russian support, keep taxes and less money distribution, promote personal tesponsibility you are still extreme right. That describes to a T the French party "Les Republicains", and nobody calls them far right. So no, you need the extremist "migrants bad" with zero nuance, heavy doses of populism with no foundation, promises of more money distribution (in France, the Front National is p…

Why is "migrants bad" with zero nuance extremist?

Welcoming all migrants can work in countries with no social net like US in their biggest boom. Come and work. EU countries are stretched and more and more people with low to no skills are gonna be really hard on the budgets. They cant even guarantee to pay people born there nice retirement in 30 years.

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Life ruined as in being flagged and investigated? Or as in, you sent some medical pics of your son's crotch to the dokter and some sicko on the scanning program looks at that photo and spreads it in his network? Both I guess...

> you sent some medical pics of your son's crotch and permanently lose access to your google acount, even after lots of stress and the police declaring you innocent[1]. Replace google acount by some other important thing. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

I know the story, it's why I picked it as an example. I wonder how many humans have since seen the son's crotch.

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Depends on the definition of socialism. For me the flow through retirement is socialist. The healthcare that forces people to pay money to non functioning system based on their income is socialist.

> The healthcare that forces people to pay money to non functioning system based on their income is socialist. Non functioning? All EU countries with public healthcare score better than the US in the healthcare rankings (and life expectancy), by a good measure. And some of them are the best in the world. This [1] is just one source, you can find multiple ones with the same conclusion. [1] https://www.internationalins…

Norway has huge oil reservers, Swiss healthcare is basically private. We could go deeper. NHS in UK is in the shambles for example.

Switzerland has universal health care, regulated by the Swiss Federal Law on Health Insurance. There are no free state-provided health services, but private health insurance is compulsory for all persons residing in Switzerland (within three months of taking up residence or being born in the country). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland#:~:t...).

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> Are they going to put me in jail because I don't want them to read messages between me and my friends or my wife? Them: "If you don't show us your messages, you are probably going to jail. So if you don't change your mind, and end up in jail without having shown us your messages, that means whatever was in those messages was way worse than going to jail. You probably knew you were going to get a longer sentence if…

Oh dear don't give them ideas. I know like one password by heart if someone tries to force me to write it down.

Yeah, it's my Bitwarden password for me... So the $5 wrench will be very effective.
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