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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by yreg »

gumby wrote: post #302
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

They have a windows app for it.

Windows app will certainly help adoption.

An Android app would be nice as well, but I doubt that many people use both iOS and Android devices[1] (or concern themselves whether they will be able to switch platforms easily).

[1] Android devices as in devices where password manager is desired, not as in 3 Billion Devices Run Java

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by sunshinerag »

wtetzner wrote: post #300
WheatMillington wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is EXACTLY what people want. Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.

I think they want one login, but don't want it all controlled by one company. I think they either like or just don't notice that everything they do is controlled by one company at first, until they see something shiny and cool that another company is doing, and realize how difficult it is to switch.

What would they prefer instead? controlled by another company? controlled by many companies? manage it on their own?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by yreg »

rickharrison wrote: post #155
m_a_g wrote: post #145

I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

>1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10.

You can still use the standalone 1Password 6…

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

bandyaboot wrote: post #303
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296

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> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

I’m curious to know what you’re thinking as far as what bad outcome(s) will or may result from people choosing this over some other password manager.

It's putting password management into the same basket as the device.

Suppose your Apple ID gets compromised. The attacker is a jerk and decides to remote erase your device. Then they use your account for black hat stuff and get it permanently banned, or just erase everything on iCloud too.

If the password manager was a different service then you'd still have the password for that service and could get in and recover your accounts on everything else. If it isn't, where's your stuff? The device and the cloud backups are both gone because they were both tied to the same compromised account.

Or you just break your phone and then realize you don't know your password. You can reset your password with your email, so now you just need your email password, which is iCloud, which is the same password. Uh oh.

Whereas if your eggs aren't all in the same basket, you can get a foothold somewhere. If you use a third party email service and haven't forgotten that password, you can still get your email on another device. If your password manager backs up to a third party service or your very own Raspberry Pi, you have access using a different set of credentials than the ones you forgot.

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Post by kcplate »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

People are driven away from open standards to vendors like Apple because so much open stuff just sucks so goddamn bad. So will Apple one day fuck me over? Perhaps, but in the meantime their shit just works and I am going to use it because I don’t have time to spend hours troubleshooting why manufacturer A doesn’t work with free publisher B when free driver C is loaded.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by cozzyd »

hunter2_ wrote: post #21
josephcsible wrote: post #18

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That's a great reason to not use Apple's, but Mozilla's doesn't lock you in at all.

The way Google's password manager covers websites anywhere I'm logged into Chrome plus native Android apps anywhere I'm logged into Google Play is super convenient though (albeit total lock-in, I won't argue that). Some apps are even developed well enough that a password originally stored via Chrome will be suggested for the app, I guess by cross-referencing the origins in some mutual way. And payment card details wi…

Not sure people should take password advice from hunter2

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Post by Scarbutt »

MrDarcy wrote: post #216
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

I use Apple Music and Apple Notes every day on my Debian workstation. Works like a charm.

Notes web version is pretty limited though, ex: can't attached images.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by kcplate »

satvikpendem wrote: post #306
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #287

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> Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public. Yup. I need to constantly keep that in mind, when I’m designing my software. Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative.

> Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative. Incredible insight. Too often I'm building something and it rises in complexity precisely due to me wanting extra features that might be very niche and technical in nature, so I too must remember to not bloat the product and make it much more streamlined.

SWEs build for maximum tinkerability. General users just want the software to work without having to tinker with it at all.

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Post by sooheon »

m_a_g wrote: post #145

I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

It just doesn't work for me for safari mac. Authenticating with fingerprint takes many seconds (and often doesn't work).
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