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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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The first big mis-step of the Nadella era. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say when he's inevitably asked to comment in his next public appearance.

From the lack of security we could assume Nadella himself created Recall over the weekend with the help of Copilot.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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It will be re-enabled accidentally by an update anyways.

Please stop with these kinds of made up fantasy scenarios. There's no such thing as "accidental enablement" for stuff like this, as if it's a switch every employee at Microsoft has access to, and one of them one day can end up flipping by accident with their elbow and it ends up in production without anyone else noticing. Either they decide to intentionally enable it or not. There are no accidents , when stuff like t…

> Either they decide to intentionally enable it or not. There are no accidents , when stuff like this needs to go through a committee of people for approval before it makes it into production.

Absolutely. And all of them decided to screw largely defenseless non-technical consumer to make short-term profits. That's not a fantasy, that's our reality.

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This is nothing. An abusive spouse will easily switch it to on. It's very likely Windows will downright push you to do so anyways. How does Microsoft intend to mitigate that harm? Because AirTags worked out just fine: > AirTags have been a tool for stalkers and domestic abusers since Apple launched them in 2021. Police records show that this is a problem, and the legal system has failed women who were targeted by sta…

This is sheer moral panic. Of course tools can be misused by bad people, but that doesn't make it the tool's fault ("how many women will be beaten and murdered because of Recall"). It is the fault of the person misusing the tool to do bad things.

Thank god. I've been selling front door locks that don't actually work, and I'm glad that when people are robbed, it will be the criminal's fault, not mine. Instead of me selling locks that work, what needs to be done first is that all potential criminals should be made not to be criminals.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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I'm surprised by how good proton is at running windows games on steamdeck. Because of this and nonsense like recall and the adverts in windows I'm considering just getting rid of windows all together, I'll just run mint Linux probably.

I run Ubuntu on nearly all of my machines, but I build it up manually from the Ubuntu Server installation to reduce bloat. If anyone was going to have problems with Proton on an Ubuntu machine, it's me. Yet, every game I've tried works fine. Everything from Among Us to Metro Exodus runs great. Some games require a little fiddling, sure, but I've never had an issue that couldn't be resolved using some copy-pasting fro…

I am curious about your Ubuntu setup. Any particular technical reason? Any especially thorny bits? Do you see improved performance or fewer background processes? I am well past the point of enduring this kind of OS pain, and will use the path well trodden by others.

I have always assumed that distros layer on so many extensions, customizations, etc that Gnome or KDE would be alien if naively installed.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop with these kinds of made up fantasy scenarios. There's no such thing as "accidental enablement" for stuff like this, as if it's a switch every employee at Microsoft has access to, and one of them one day can end up flipping by accident with their elbow and it ends up in production without anyone else noticing. Either they decide to intentionally enable it or not. There are no accidents , when stuff like t…

> Either they decide to intentionally enable it or not. There are no accidents , when stuff like this needs to go through a committee of people for approval before it makes it into production. Absolutely. And all of them decided to screw largely defenseless non-technical consumer to make short-term profits. That's not a fantasy, that's our reality.

Yeah, but like I said, that's by intention, not by accident. How does your comment disprove my point which is exactly yours?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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post #194

This is nothing. An abusive spouse will easily switch it to on. It's very likely Windows will downright push you to do so anyways. How does Microsoft intend to mitigate that harm? Because AirTags worked out just fine: > AirTags have been a tool for stalkers and domestic abusers since Apple launched them in 2021. Police records show that this is a problem, and the legal system has failed women who were targeted by sta…

Knowing you could turn on recall to spy in this way implies an individual with the technical know how to grab a freeware keylogger anyways. Similarly with airtags, you have been able to buy cheaper cellular based GPS trackers for years prior to airtags existing. In the airtag case, those GPS tags also do not alert the individual that there is a beacon following their person, and as such most likely go unnoticed and u…

> Knowing you could turn on recall to spy in this way implies an individual with the technical know how to grab a freeware keylogger anyways.

Strange that you were able to discover this. Has anyone asked you for your research? Does knowing how to grab a freeware keylogger imply that you know how to code up a keylogger for yourself, or did your study not go that far?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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I have a really hard time understanding the use case for something like this. Stuff that I want to remember I just write down or reference something like my browser history or recently opened files. It's very low tech for sure but it works, is waaay more energy efficient, way easier to understand and audit, and doesnt have the same security concerns. I get that using "AI" has a Wow Factor that existing systems have b…

Have a look at Rewind.ai for some idea about the use cases maybe. Some people are already paying for the feature, so it clearly has some value.

https://www.rewind.ai/

Personally, data privacy/protection and compliance aside, I’d find it fairly useful on my work computer.

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Maybe a bit off-topic, but I sure wish they'd do this for OneDrive! I installed Windows for personal use for the first time recently (although I use it exclusively at work) and it drove me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS that my home drive was mapping to C:\Users\atribecalledqst\OneDrive. What I hated the most was that the File Explorer just calls the folders in there e.g. "Documents" and "Pictures" without showing the full path.…

If you think this is bad, there was a period last year that my documents folder would suddenly rename itself to "Documents" but in a different language. This would religiously change every few days. Other people have reported it as well.

I have disposed of my last PC now and have nothing to do with the infernal things, or onedrive, or any of that crap ever again!

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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I have a really hard time understanding the use case for something like this. Stuff that I want to remember I just write down or reference something like my browser history or recently opened files. It's very low tech for sure but it works, is waaay more energy efficient, way easier to understand and audit, and doesnt have the same security concerns. I get that using "AI" has a Wow Factor that existing systems have b…

I agree, I think the current state of the AI is absolutely incredible technology, but I just don't see a 'product' yet. If chat and co-pilots are all we get out of this wave of investment, then I'm not sure if it's been worth it.

I see a lot of cool little use cases (eg, LLMs are genuinely fantastic for creative brainstorming), but I'm absolutely not seeing the multi-trillion dollar AI industry that all the big companies are clearly banking on.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Maybe a bit off-topic, but I sure wish they'd do this for OneDrive! I installed Windows for personal use for the first time recently (although I use it exclusively at work) and it drove me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS that my home drive was mapping to C:\Users\atribecalledqst\OneDrive. What I hated the most was that the File Explorer just calls the folders in there e.g. "Documents" and "Pictures" without showing the full path.…

Hang around kids and even though they can be pretty good at using a computer, they have no clue how the thing actually works. They don't know what a file is anymore. Everything is a shiny little icon in a shiny little magic folder. Not trying to make this sound like a value judgment, more an observation. But it makes you wonder, what do we lose by excessive abstraction.

Yeah my 82 year old mother knows more about files than my kids do.
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