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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by FpUser »

yreg wrote: post #228
zamadatix wrote: post #185

I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

Unfortunately the freemium + subscription model usually works so much better money-wise that it's difficult to justify publishing a simple paid app with upfront cost.

I use way too many applications. IF I was subscribing it would be nightmare for me. So I only buy from companies that offer perpetual licenses and upgrade whenever I feel the need.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by gcr »

zamadatix wrote: post #271
NikxDa wrote: post #267

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Halide is 2.99 a month, or 12.49 a year, and has been a subscription model since 2020. Sure, you have a one-time purchase option, but it is $70. I believe people who bought before the subscription got one year free, but things like widgets aren't supported. So unfortunately, that is likely the same fate for Kino. This post introduces the subscriptions: https://medium.com/halide/introducing-halide-mkii-30f9f2bcea...

I'm fine if I can get a reasonable number of years out of it. I'm not expecting infinite updates forever for $9.99. 1-2y for this would be disappointing but not even a bad deal. On Halide it seems the problem is more "pricing in general" - a 1 year subscription costs more than the one time purchase in this app so naturally expecting get and keep the app plus years of updates is a bit eyewatering for a camera app (but…

There's "I expect to get three years of value for $9.99", and then there's the "Halide isn't a subscription product, what are you talking about" people in this thread.

The unpredictability of the pricing model itself is an important point.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by dylan604 »

th0ma5 wrote: post #242
dylan604 wrote: post #207

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Not understanding might not be far from the fact, but it is probably just posturing. I doubt most of the Tubers understand it themselves which is the real reason they can't share. They saw it on some other YT video, and then made it like it was their own idea. I've tried to explain how to use waveforms/vectorscopes and why they are important. Those things are rarely used any more, and people just don't realize how mu…

Tracking eyes and reducing shadows within a mask is ... Beyond what I would call grading. It all feels like some serious gatekeeping. Thanks for your reply heh but there sure is a lot of FUD out there in the mastering and grading world.

Beyond color grading? Gate keeping? (whatever in the world you mean by that).

Might I ask how much experience you have with the world of professional color sessions? I have been in film/video post pretty much since graduating high school, so I have been a part of prepping content/materials for a color session for decades, but have also spent several years working at a post house that only did color correction. I'm guessing that it is you that has the incorrect understanding of what goes on in a color grading session. If you want to go around thinking that applying a LUT is all that happens in a grading session, then you might as well think that anyone that uses Wix or Squarespace is a web designer, or anyone that assembles Ikea furniture is a craftsman. Your definition would be very skewed.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by patrickcorrigan »

spiderice wrote: post #255
baby wrote: post #110

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I just looked at two pomodoro apps on the app store, one had a one-time purchase fee, the other had a subscription only model. It's a freaking pomodoro app! I can't believe I have to pay for that in the first place (why doesn't the countdown app of Apple not have a widget =.=) but a subscription? People are greedy af.

> I can't believe I have to pay for that in the first place > People are greedy af I hope the irony of these two statements isn't lost on you

I know right! I run a freemium B2C app and I get users telling me this all the time. It's so ridiculous. No one is forcing anyone to use the software. Go write your own version and give it away for free.

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Post by hiatus »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #154
hiatus wrote: post #147

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These smaller developers go through the trouble of building an app and getting verified for distribution on the App Store but don't give even a moment's thought to pricing? Surely the easiest option is free compared to some arbitrary monthly price and having to set up payments, etc.

But why should people do apps for free?

I never said "they should do apps for free". I was rebutting the idea that small app developers don't give any thought to pricing and just use a monthly subscription, which sounds like more work than just giving it away for free. If they landed on a subscription model they must have given it _some_ thought.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by remix2000 »

Long time ago, I bought Halide from them, then they stopped supporting my preferred iOS version. Good riddance, I'm currently daily driving an Xperia and compared to it, that iOS app kinda looks like a Fisher Price toy now… ^^"

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by th0ma5 »

dylan604 wrote: post #313
th0ma5 wrote: post #242

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Tracking eyes and reducing shadows within a mask is ... Beyond what I would call grading. It all feels like some serious gatekeeping. Thanks for your reply heh but there sure is a lot of FUD out there in the mastering and grading world.

Beyond color grading? Gate keeping? (whatever in the world you mean by that). Might I ask how much experience you have with the world of professional color sessions? I have been in film/video post pretty much since graduating high school, so I have been a part of prepping content/materials for a color session for decades, but have also spent several years working at a post house that only did color correction. I'm gu…

Lol back to "it's not just luts lamer" heh ... In the computer world in my experience people who just like to say people are wrong never go anywhere, but it sure does feel a requirement of the entertainment industry.

Just to be clear, I don't believe that it's just look up tables ... But I'm starting to believe that that's all you know to gripe about.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by rexf »

FireBeyond wrote: post #199
runako wrote: post #170

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I should have been clearer. Apps from big publishers were more expensive than the indies in the 1980s. And indie shops that were charging ~$40 ($100 in 2024 dollars) for their titles. This is a direct comparison to the type of pomodoro app mentioned in the upthread comment. The thing is, all software constantly needs new updates. If not platform-driven, then security, bug fixes, etc. The more niche (like a pomodoro a…

> A lifetime fee of $1, sold to a huge audience of 100k paid users, will pay for ~1 year of a single dev in the US, perhaps 2-3 years of a developer in a low-cost country. And then where does the money come from for updates in year 4 and beyond? I challenge you to demonstrate the Pomodoro app that has a full time dev effort for a year, and then requires anything more than piecemeal bug fixes or maybe a recompile in t…

Apple Watch app, widgets, Live Activities, new phone sizes... there are always things Apple wants you to add over time. Do you want meaningful updates or abandoned software? It doesn't take a full time job, but it's significantly more than $1 per install

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by ldayley »

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that this appears to be a (very polished) "Hipstamatic for video" yet. I feel like Hipstamatic has been a zombie app for years now, but was once beloved and at one point in 2011-2012 people spoke about it alongside Instagram...

Obviously video is harder, but the "analog film" UI looks mighty familiar... ;)

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