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Post by searealist »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #247
summerlight wrote: post #87

This is really impressive engineering. I thought real time agents would completely change the way we're going to interact with large models but it would take 1~2 more years. I wonder what kind of new techs are developed to enable this, but OpenAI is fairly secretive so we won't be able to know their sauce. On the other hand, this also feels like a signal that reasoning capability has probably already been plateaued a…

This isn't really new tech, it's just an async agent in front of a multimodal model. It seems from the demo that the improvements have been in response latency and audio generation. Still, it looks like they're building a solid product, which has been their big issue so far.

No, audio is fed directly into the model. There is no text to speech transformer in front of it like there was with chatgpt-4.

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Post by kleiba »

I cannot believe that that overly excited giggle tone of voice you see in the demo videos made it through quality control?! I've only watched two videos so far and it's already annoying me to the point that I couldn't imagine using it regularly.

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Post by agumonkey »

cs702 wrote: post #115

The usual critics will quickly point out that LLMs like GPT-4o still have a lot of failure modes and suffer from issues that remain unresolved. They will point out that we're reaping diminishing returns from Transformers. They will question the absence of a "GPT-5" model. And so on -- blah, blah, blah, stochastic parrots, blah, blah, blah. Ignore the critics. Watch the demos. Play with it. This stuff feels magical .…

That's what openai managed to catch. The large enough sense of wonder. You could feel it as people spread the news but not as the usual fad.. there was a soft silence to it, people focused deeply poking at it because it was a new interface.

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Post by dunkmaster »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #59

Big questions are (1) when is this going to be rolled out to paid users? (2) what is the remaining benefit of being a paid user if this is rolled out to free users? (3) Biggest concern is will this degrade the paid experience since GPT-4 interactions are already rate limited. Does OpenAI have the hardware to handle this? Edit: according to @gdb this is coming in "weeks" https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1790074041614717…

This might mean GPT-5 is coming soon and it will only be available to paid users.

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Post by barrell »

cs702 wrote: post #115

The usual critics will quickly point out that LLMs like GPT-4o still have a lot of failure modes and suffer from issues that remain unresolved. They will point out that we're reaping diminishing returns from Transformers. They will question the absence of a "GPT-5" model. And so on -- blah, blah, blah, stochastic parrots, blah, blah, blah. Ignore the critics. Watch the demos. Play with it. This stuff feels magical .…

Did you use any of the GPT voice features before? I’m curious whether this reaction is to the modality or the model.

Don’t get me wrong, excited about this update, but I’m struggling to see what is so magical about it. Then again, I’ve been using GPT voice every day for months, so if you’re just blown away from talking to a computer then I get it

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Post by w10-1 »

MP_1729 wrote: post #105

This thing continues to stress my skepticism for AI scaling laws and the broad AI semiconductor capex spending. 1- OpenAI is still working in GPT-4-level models. More than 14 months after the launch of GPT-4 and after more than $10B in capital raised. 2- The rhythm that token prices are collapsing is bizarre. Now a (bit) better model for 50% of the price. How people seriously expect these foundational model companies…

> Since GPT-4 launch, token prices are falling 84% per year!! Good for mankind, but crazy for these companies

The message to competitor investors is that they will not make their money back.

OpenAI has the lead, in market and mindshare; it just has to keep it.

Competitors should realize they're better served by working with OpenAI than by trying to replace it - Hence the Apple deal.

Soon model construction itself will not be about public architectures or access to CPU's, but a kind of proprietary black magic. No one will pay for upstart 97% when they can get reliable 98% at the same price, so OpenAI's position will be secure.

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Post by cchance »

gdb wrote: post #43
Jensson wrote: post #24

The most impressive part is that the voice uses the right feelings and tonal language during the presentation. I'm not sure how much of that was that they had tested this over and over, but it is really hard to get that right so if they didn't fake it in some way I'd say that is revolutionary.

(I work at OpenAI.) It's really how it works.

This is damn near one of the most impressive things, can only imagine especially with live translation and voice synthesis (eleven labs style) you'd be capable of to integrate with something like teams (select each persons language and do realtime translation to each persons native language, with their own voice and intonations would NUTS)

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Post by nabakin »

Jensson wrote: post #24

The most impressive part is that the voice uses the right feelings and tonal language during the presentation. I'm not sure how much of that was that they had tested this over and over, but it is really hard to get that right so if they didn't fake it in some way I'd say that is revolutionary.

Seems about as good as Azure's Speech Service. I wonder if that's what they are using behind the scenes

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Post by caseyy »

Few people are talking about it but... what do you think about the very over-the-top enthusiasm?

To me, it sounds like TikTok TTS, it's a bit uncomfortable to listen to. I've been working with TTS models and they can produce much more natural sounding language, so it is clearly a stylistic choice.

So what do you think?

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Post by kybernetikos »

newzisforsukas wrote: post #175
Jensson wrote: post #24

The most impressive part is that the voice uses the right feelings and tonal language during the presentation. I'm not sure how much of that was that they had tested this over and over, but it is really hard to get that right so if they didn't fake it in some way I'd say that is revolutionary.

Right to who? To me, the voice sounds like an over enthusiastic podcast interviewer. Whats wrong with wanting computers to sound like what people think computers should sound like?

Genuine People Personalities™, just like in Hitchikers. Perhaps one of the milder forms of 'We Created The Torment Nexus'.
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