Live data from Hacker News

The fishy death of Red Lobster

businessinsider.com

311–320 of 540 posts

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a time where almost everything is getting worse. Products are getting smaller, service is getting worse, businesses are closing, quality is going down. I don't think I've ever experienced such an obvious decline in commercial society in my entire life. Is it the financialization of everything? Is that we reached peak growth and profit increases are only possibly through extreme optimization? Is it financia…

Most people used to believe in Jesus Christ with values built on the Bible. That was true from lay people to Ivy League colleges to even folks in prison. His blessings with His accountability both made many good things happen and limited lots of damage we’d cause. America was prosperous as the Bible said it would be. Over the decades, people turned away from God and those values to chase new ones: money first, pleasu…

>America was prosperous as the Bible said it would be.

The book of Job was written specifically to denounce the idea that morality means that you'll prosper.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't understand is the value people place on waitstaff being enthusiastic to serve you. I don't care, as long as you they take my order and check on my drinks.

That value proposition is typically that the experience be enjoyable. What makes it that varies, hence a variety of restaurants to choose from. If I am inconvenienced and have to chase down wait staff then that nudges the experience to the 'non-enjoyable'. If I run out of something to drink while I am eating, that nudges the experience. If we are sitting and having after dinner drinks/coffee and talking, and are surr…

> and are surrounded by dirty plates

AHA! IT'S YOU!

You're the person who has encouraged this bizarre behavior where waitstaff come to pull away my plate the second they think I'm done. No! Leave it unless it's completely empty, I've asked you to take it, or the next course is about to arrive.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Stardew filled a niche that wasn't being catered to. There were no Farm Sims that weren't a cash grab released since Farmville. Stardew caught all the people who remembered Harvest Moon fondly.

Harvest moon was actively releasing games at that time

Yeah, but they were shit.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#314
post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a local italian restaurant that I frequent which is 30% cheaper than Olive Garden and way, way tastier. There are dozens of other local restaurants that are also cheaper, and tastier, than Olive Garden. I don't understand why these huge restaurant companies have such a hard time with the "make good food" part of their business model. It clearly can't be that hard if so many small businesses are able to do do…

I imagine the logistics of sourcing enough ingredients to supply a nationwide chain are much more complicated than a single local establishment, which pushes the nationwide chains towards more-consistent but lower-quality solutions like just buying from Sysco.

At that point you would think they would pivot to using their economies of scale to compete on price. But they're still more expensive than better local alternatives.

My best guess is that the price is inflated by the huge amount of money they spend on national ad campaigns, which I'm convinced at this point do not even work. Any restaurant big enough to buy ad spots during the superbowl is by definition "not cool" to the under-40 crowd. None of the most popular restaurants among my peer-group where I live even run local TV ads, and they don't need to.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When and where did that really ever work? Evidence please. The bible says nothing about America. I assume that abolishing slavery was where we turned away from biblical principles.

You don’t even really need it. You can go right to the roots. Let’s compare two sets of things on a basic level. 1. You know God will judge what good or evil you did at the end of your life. You factor that into your decisions. 2. You think we’re an accident, nothing matters, people are just over animals, actually just chemical reactions, universe itself disappears in enough time, nothing matters in the long term unl…

There is nothing less moral to me than the idea of people only doing good because they fear punishment.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a local italian restaurant that I frequent which is 30% cheaper than Olive Garden and way, way tastier. There are dozens of other local restaurants that are also cheaper, and tastier, than Olive Garden. I don't understand why these huge restaurant companies have such a hard time with the "make good food" part of their business model. It clearly can't be that hard if so many small businesses are able to do do…

The entire schtick of chain restaurants is consistency. For nationwide chains, that means that the same ingredients end up being used in relatively remote places without cheap access to fresh produce as in, say, California, where fresh produce is far more affordable. The big chains also tend to aim for excessive variety on their menus, which again leads to food needing to be designed to be less perishable. And then t…

All of this just doesn't seem like it flies with consumers in 2024.

I think people value quality over consistency when it comes to their leisure spending, especially when small restaurants can still be consistently good. Why do I care that the pancakes at an IHOP in Tampa taste the same as the IHOP in my neighborhood when the local diner across the street makes better pancakes than either of them?

Having lots of options doesn't mean a whole lot if all of them suck.

The national presence I think works to their detriment. Being able to buy ad spots during the superbowl makes a restaurant categorically un-cool. The number of times "I don't want to eat at a chain restaurant" comes up when discussing places to eat with my friends has practically turned the sentiment into a meme.

I imagine social media has played a huge role in this shift. People posting actual pictures of the food they got somewhere does a lot to undercut deceptive advertising and elevates meals that actually get people excited.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a time where almost everything is getting worse. Products are getting smaller, service is getting worse, businesses are closing, quality is going down. I don't think I've ever experienced such an obvious decline in commercial society in my entire life. Is it the financialization of everything? Is that we reached peak growth and profit increases are only possibly through extreme optimization? Is it financia…

Oh man I FEEL this deeply. I was just wondering if it's just me feeling like everything is on a highway to terrible. - Prices in my city, just this year, have felt like they've jumped 10 or 15 percent. - I've been working in tech for a decade now and for the first time a new company simply refused to negotiate salary. - I feel financially worse off than 5 years ago making a third of what I make now. - Housing prices…

You are in Denmark? WOW!! From here in the US, my impression of Denmark is a small country of really smart people with gorgeous women having really good lives!!! Your post questions that impression ....

Here in the US, there are what seem to be related issues. Opinions about what is wrong and why differ. It can seem that we don't address the issues or what is wrong, for example, it can appear that the media believes that making clear the issues and faults are too deep for the audience of the media. For example, so far I've yet to see good engineering style graphs of even the basic measures from the economy, health, education, happiness, etc. In simple terms, the birth rate is so low we are going extinct -- some graphs over time might provide some insight. To avoid going extinct should be worth some graphs of related data?

Here is one guess: Some people want more government involvement, activity, services, ..., at the national level. Involved are money and power, money collected from taxes and/or borrowed and then spent and the people spending the money getting power. Then for the money the guess is that the spending is too inefficient, that is, too often wasted. For the power, it can stop what might be solutions. So, with the waste, we are throwing away our efforts, and with the power we are blocked from better approaches.

For this view, the US has some old images, from history, the movies, some parts of education, and even from some of recent history: So, the old images are from, say, the movie The Big Sky from the 1830s of 20 or so men and one Native Indian woman leaving Saint Louis on the Mississippi River (major US river from the north east going south and dumping into the Gulf of Mexico) and the Missouri River (from the northwest of the US close to the Pacific Ocean and flowing ~2000 miles to the Mississippi) to trade with the Blackfoot tribe to give them woven blankets, guns, tools and get beaver pelts.

The whole effort was lawless, that is, no government, laws, police, political power, regulations. So there was fighting, killing. No medical care, so there was suffering. There were lots of injuries from struggles with the river. It was all highly risky with lots of struggles and losses but in the end successful.

There were more such movies about the US, people on their own, risking everything, fighting, struggling, having failures, in the end being successful. There was Henry Ford, the Wright Brothers (had a bicycle shop), etc.

To the present, there were two guys at Stanford University in a project for indexing the contents of libraries. They thought of indexing the Web sites on the Internet and were offered ~$1 million for their work and Web site. They turned down the $1 million, started a company, and had success. It was all risky. It's now worth ~$1 trillion, called Google. Other successes, risky, one or a few founders, include Microsoft, Walmart, FedEx, Facebook, Amazon, Burger King, McDonald's. One guy, sole, solo founder, used some old Dell computers, an early version of Microsoft's Windows and Web software ASP.NET, built a romantic matchmaking service, grew it, ..., and sold out for ~$550 million.

Mostly these successes are examples of significant increases in economic productivity, that is, how much utility get from each hour of work. Personal computers? Killed off the typewriters with just astounding increases in productivity; same for email; Zoom, .... In cars, using digital electronics to get fuel mixture and spark timing a lot better resulted in the engines lasting much longer -- if looked carefully into what was going on with the old carburetors and breaker point ignitions and the huge ways they were wrong (unburned gasoline diluted the engine oil and, thus, wore out the main engine parts) can understand. Tires -- progress in the synthetic rubber chemistry made the tires last much longer, maybe 5 times as long.

The theme is, as in the movie, leave individuals with a minimum of taxes and government power and let them try and take the risks. The victories can generate massive increases in productivity, wealth, and a better life.

Heck, I like music, A. Vivaldi, J. Bach, ..., S. Barber. Used to be, had to go to live performances. Then we got audio tapes, vinyl records, CDs, DVDs, and the Internet. So, now just from a few keystrokes I can get terrific performances of Vivaldi's The Four Seasons, Bach's Chaconne, ... Barber's Adagio for Strings.

Those are some of the ideas that have floated around. Money and power: The idea that just these two are the main causes of all of society's problems is tough to accept. But, for the problems in Denmark, maybe these two should get some attention.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#318
post #213

Company Man on YouTube did a great job breaking this down about a week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I17aERAQPfc&pp=ygUXY29tcGFue...

Did he?? He expanded a bullet list of the different owners to fit a 12 minute video, started and ended the video with an ad, literally said he "didn't have too much to say about Golden Gate Capital", and shares the insight that "Red lobster just needs to get to a point financially where they can be themselves..." OK.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#319

I look at private equity as sort of like a bacterial infection. The infection may be the thing that kills its host by sucking of all of its energy, but the reason the host was infected in the first place was because of some other problem that led to a weakened immune system. Private equity firms prey on companies that are already struggling. Yes, they take a struggling company and hasten its demise. But healthy compa…

Seems like they exist to basically sell off a brand. People thinking that Red Lobster is a good place to eat is a valuable asset, which can be traded for short-term profits until they catch onto what's actually going on.

Yeah, that's a good point.

One way to look at private equity is that they are playing an arbitrage game between the perceived value of a brand and the actual worth of the products the brand produces.

In a world where people had better access to true, recent information, perceived brand value wouldn't lag actual product value as much and there would be less opportunity to exploit the arbitrage.

Re: The fishy death of Red Lobster

#320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M&M Mars here in the US has been buying up the independent veterinary practices and turning them into corporate run businesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Inc.#Mars_Petcare

Out here, they’re all being bought up by VCA. My vet is absolutely considering selling his practice. We (selfishly, not seriously) suggested selling his practice and then opening a new one closer to where we live. (We moved out of the area several years ago, but continue to drag the cats in to see him.) We said it in gest but he said he was already giving it serious consideration. When he bought his practice from the…

This is a good listen.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/do-you-know-who-owns-your-v...

Post reply on HN