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IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Re: IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Post by pjmlp »

ohad1282 wrote: post #180
brian_herman wrote: post #17

Community fork https://opentofu.org/

Indeed. Owned by The Linux Foundation, so this will remain OSS forever/no rug pulls are possible.

I wouldn't bet on that, some Linux Foundation hosted projects like Zephyr, not only don't have anything to do with Linux, they are under licenses that are quite business friendly as well.

So yeah, one can always fork the last available version, if it then survives to the extent that actually matters beyond hobby coding is seldom the case.

How many Open Solaris forks are actually relevant outside the company that owns those forks?

Also IBM, Microsoft, Oracle,.... and others that HN loves to hate are already members.

Re: IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Post by Foobar8568 »

pragmatick wrote: post #309
Foobar8568 wrote: post #306

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Kyndryl is IBM??

Yes and you wouldn't believe how bad they are. We had multiple incidents where colleagues had to explain basic stuff to them and hold their hands. I was in a couple of calls with their engineers and those instantly reduced my impostorship syndrome.

I worked for several years with IBM solutions and the like, I thought they ended up opening near shore centers in Europe to "sell" "local" ressources but it was just detached Indian employees from upper cast billed more than us as they were IBM experts.

Re: IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Post by raffraffraff »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #98
calgoo wrote: post #49

Well, it was nice while it lasted! HashiCorp always felt like a company made by actual engineers, not "bean counters". Now it will just be another cog in the IBM machine, slowly grinding it down, removing everything attractive, just like RedHat and CentOS. Hopefully this will create a new wave off innovation, and someone will create something to replace the monopoly on IaC that IBM now owns.

> HashiCorp always felt like a company made by actual engineers. IDK about this, in 2018 I was in a position to pay for their services. They asked for stupid amount of money and got none because they asked so much. Can't remember what the exact numbers were but but it felt like ElasticSearch or Oracle.

Same. And I didn't feel like we were getting anything for that crazy money aside from than "support" (which management wanted, pre IPO, to make a bunch of security audits seem easier ). We preferred to stick with our own tooling and services that we built around Vault (for example) than use the official enterprise stuff. Same goes for terraform today: I don't feel like we need Terraform Cloud, when we've got other options in that space, including home grown tooling.

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Post by NomDePlum »

karmajunkie wrote: post #303
NomDePlum wrote: post #175

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What in particular did you find difficult building a maintainable codebase in Golang? Not quite understanding the boilerplate reference. Code generation in Golang is something I've found removed a lot of boilerplate.

> Code generation in Golang is something I've found removed a lot of boilerplate. Not a gopher by any stretch, but to my way of thinking code generation is literally boilerplate, that's why its generated. Or does Go have some metaprogramming facilities I'm unaware of?

I took took the comment to relate to writing boilerplate.

So unrelated to code generated, if that makes sense. The generated code I'm sure had lots of boilerplate, it's just not code we needed to consider when developing.

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Post by NomDePlum »

janosdebugs wrote: post #290
NomDePlum wrote: post #196

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My experience of Golang is that dependency injection doesn't really have much benefit. It felt like a square peg in a round hole exercise when my team considered it. The team was almost exclusively Java/Typescript Devs so it was something that we thought we needed but I don't believe we actually missed once we decided to not pursue it. If you are looking at OpenAPI in Golang I can recommend having a look at https://g…

For OpenTofu specifically, having DI for implementing state encryption would have been really nice. Of you look at the PR, a lot of code needed to be touched because the code was entirely procedural. Of course, one could just make a global variable, but that is all sorts of awful and makes the code really hard to test efficiently. But then again, this is a 300k line project, which in my opinion is way beyond what Go…

Out of interest what language do you think would have been more appropriate and why?

For that size of codebase I'd have thought code structure and modularisation would be more important than language choice.

Re: IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Post by matthewtse »

matthewtse wrote: post #298

It's really sad to me that Hashicorp never found a monetization model that worked. 100% of the companies I worked for over the last 6 years all used Terraform, there really wasn't anything else out there, and though there were complaints, it generally worked. It really provided a lot of value to us, and we definitely would have been willing to pay. Though every time we asked, we wanted commitment to update the AWS/GC…

Perhaps an open source fork of Terraform, where the cloud providers themselves maintain the provider repos, is the correct end-state. AWS started doing that in the last few years, assigning engineering resources to the open source TF provider repos.

That way, the profit beneficiaries bear the brunt of the development/maintenance costs.

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Post by wredue »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #99
rank0 wrote: post #94

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I don’t understand people’s beef with IBM. They have been responsible for incredible R&D within computing. I even LIKE redhat/fedora! HashiCorp had already been sold out since waaaay before this acquisition and I also don’t understand why their engineers are seen as “special”…

People's beef here with IBM is they don't make shiny phones and laptops and don't create hip jobs where you're paid 500k+ to "change the world" by selling ads or making the 69th messaging app. They just focus on tried and tested boring SW that big businesses find useful and that's not popular on HN which is more startup and disruption focused.

Nah dude. Their business internal is a dinosaur both in girth and age. If they estimate 2 years for you, put away budget for 10. And all you’re gonna get is excuses and blame.

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Post by NomDePlum »

takeda wrote: post #237
NomDePlum wrote: post #201

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I understand were you are coming from but I actually like the explicit error handling in Golang. Things being explicit reduces complexity for me a lot and I find it easier to spot and resolve potential issues. It's definitely something that I can understand not working for everyone. I agree on the logging point but my experience was the explicit error handling and with good test coverage meant we rarely got into situ…

> I understand were you are coming from but I actually like the explicit error handling in Golang. Things being explicit reduces complexity for me a lot and I find it easier to spot and resolve potential issues. It's definitely something that I can understand not working for everyone. This sound a lot of like Apple user arguments about iPhone 1 missing copy & paste over a decade ago. I am very pedantic about checking…

Not really understanding the iPhone reference or how it relates here.

Sounds like the problem you have with the error checking relates more to development practice of colleagues than the language.

We used defer frequently. Never considered it ugly.

'goto' (hypothesising here as not used it) and use of exception handling that is expected to be handled at edge of boundary points in codebase can be elegant but does need careful thought and design is my experience. Can hide all sorts of issues, lead to a lot of spurious error handling for those that don't understand the intent. That's the biggest issue I have with implicit (magical) error handling - too many people do it poorly.

Re: IBM to buy HashiCorp in $6.4B deal

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Post by [deleted] »

lbotos wrote: post #284
glenngillen wrote: post #240

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You've misunderstood my point. RSUs became taxable at the $80 stock price for many. Depending on where you're based that could mean you owe(d) anywhere from from $22 - $38 per share in taxes. At the top end of that range, if you're still holding any stock, this acquisition has just permanently crystalised a capital loss for you. There's no upside that gets you above what you owe/paid in taxes. There are many many peo…

I don't know how pre-public to IPO RSUs work but let's do some math assuming IPO day is "day when RSUs vest": IPO day and you get 1000 RSUs unlocked/vested. Share price is $80. You made 80k gains. For simplicity let's say you owed 40K in taxes. One of two things happens: - Hasihcorp auto sells to cover and you get 500 less shares. - You need to pay your taxes on your own and earmark 40K. Let's pick the easy one: If H…

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