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I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by gandalfgreybeer »

sph wrote: post #189
fireflash38 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I absolutely love about online discourse: shit all over someone, then block them. It is something that you don't see with in-person communications - because you really can't just "close off" the discussion to one way. Anyway, I just think that people do things in online discussions that they wouldn't do to someone's face. And that tends to be a bad thing for reasonable discourse.

Another thing you don't quite seen in real life: strangers that record a serendipitous conversation, to later post it for the whole world to see, to point and laugh. The Internet has turned us into sociopaths.

>Another thing you don't quite seen in real life: strangers that record a serendipitous conversation, to later post it for the whole world to see, to point and laugh.

In the thread linked above, I think his reasoning for posting the email is reasonable. I find this similar to what the Apollo dev did when discussing with Reddit people. If he didn't record the conversation or make it public, his words could have been twisted.

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Post by gandalfgreybeer »

keiferski wrote: post #87

I am increasingly convinced that the successor/replacement to Google will not be a more clever, AI-powered search engine, but a hyper-curated collection of links, selected by people who understand what good content is. Sort of like Yahoo in the pre-Google days. I think this is only going to become more apparent once AI-generated content takes over the web.

Very tangential but your description is exactly why I've dropped most streaming services except for the Criterion Channel.

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Post by carlosjobim »

marcinzm wrote: post #252
carlosjobim wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course they created a consumer product that outperforms the main product of the third largest company in the world just as a measure to cheat investors out of a couple of hundred thousand. That's why I won't buy Apple products either, because I'm sure all these iPhones and Macbooks are just a tricky plan to build up investor confidence so that they can cheat them out of money in the future. Useless snark asid…

> Useless snark aside, if the Kagi team wanted more "money directly into their own pockets" they could just raise their salaries. If their product is comparable to Google their salaries could be as well. And they'd get the money for those massive salaries from what magic money tree? They're at best barely profitable, revenue is probably around $2m, and they only raised $670k in funding. This isn't a particularly mone…

What I'm saying is that they could take all the investor money as salaries for themselves if they wanted, and easily motivate it by comparing to industry compensation for similar work. They don't need to invent any Yugoslavian scheme to put "money directly into their own pockets."

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Post by drunkan »

Honestly after reading this guys follow up rant about the CEO contacting him directly for an opportunity to address any of the points made in this post, this comes off as nothing more than a hit piece. Just saying ive said my piece and I have no interest in hearing any follow up or rebuttals is just classic modern day social media journalism. Suprised the CEO stayed so cool in his follow ups with this guys attempt to goad the CEO into loosing his cool in a private email so he could plaster it all over the web - he comes accross as nothing more than a drama troll.

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Post by carlosjobim »

ceejayoz wrote: post #211
carlosjobim wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're misunderstanding. The name by itself is not personal data, but data connected to a name is.

"in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name" What is there to misunderstand?

If I write a name on a piece of paper here on my desk, I have not violated GDPR. If the radio commentator speaks the name of the soccer player who made a pass, he has not violated GDPR. But there are people who argue that names by themselves (without reference to anything else) are protected personal identification data. Which they clearly are not.

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Post by shadowgovt »

catapart wrote: post #156
edude03 wrote: post #115

(this articles formatting was super hard to read, I love the web 1.0 "just get it out there" vibe but man I wish CSS had a good "reasonable default" for lots of text) I'm a huge fan of kagi and have been paying for it for as long as paying for it has been possible - that said, I think the author is spot on about the long term viability of the project considering their limited funding, limited employees, very wide (ye…

FWIW, my assumption here is that people who publish like this page are expecting users to use a "reader view" and they're trying not to introduce any styles at all, so as not to conflict with the styles that the reader view will apply. Otherwise, ' "reasonable default" for lots of text ' is something that browsers provide, using the "system" fonts. Applying a font-family to the entire html or body tags will do the jo…

But the default is objectively awful, at least in Chrome.

Seriously: no margins on the images and the images all different widths. No human being would lay out a mixed-media document like this on purpose if they expected other human beings to consume it easily.

(This reflects not so much on the author as on how fascinatingly bad the UX of unstyled HTML is. I remember when things looked like this and we were just used to it because there wasn't anything else on the web).

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Post by lamontcg »

freediver wrote: post #279
yreg wrote: post #29

I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…

Kagi CEO here. I'd concede that it was a bad choice of words but also the screenshot was taken out of context. What I meant to say is that anonymity and privacy are two different things and that most people really need just their privacy respected, not be truly anonymous in life. I also had a narrow view back then of what people considered by anonymity (for example considering VPNs as something giving them anonymity…

I really don't want to use a VPN and a fake e-mail address with Kagi to get the kind of anonymity that DDG at least claims to offer.

[It would also be selling point to offer at least GDPR levels of privacy to everyone -- embrace it and do it right for the EU and don't fuck over people in the rest of the world just because you aren't required to do it here]

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Post by erickhill »

infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

I can't stand the randomness of how posts seem to be getting flagged more and more on HN. Seems like if a post is flagged and killed a reason should be given somewhere on the page by the flagger. Educate us on why our discussions should be off-limits, please. It would also be interesting to see if certain topics are always flagged by the same individuals and patterns emerge.

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Post by riversflow »

freediver wrote: post #258
infecto wrote: post #8

I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…

> The t-shirts are weird and made me lose a lot of faith in their org. The way I look at it is instead of making their products better, they flushed a bunch of money down the drain for t-shirts and its offensive to paying customers who are paying because they enjoy the product and want it to become better, they don't want a t-shirt. Kagi founder here and I want to clarify the train of thoughts around Kagi printing an…

I prefer internet ads to Billboards. Billboards are disgusting.

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Post by shadowgovt »

WA wrote: post #93
eviks wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he explicitly said in his email that "Personal emails are PII.", so how is that a defence of his previous position?

I re-read again. You are right, he says "personal emails are PII" in this email. In the original post however he dismisses the whole GDPR data request process as "we don't need this, because you can provide fake data". Point is: if the business requests an email address, many people will provide their real email adress and your business needs to document this process under GDPR. I just checked. The signup form doesn'…

It's ultimately not up to Vlad. If the law declares email addresses are PII, they're PII.

If he's positioning his company to challenge that law when he runs afoul of it, that's a choice they can make but it's a business risk (and IANAL, but... Probably one they'll lose).

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