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Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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> 700 out of 1,000 Just Walk Out sales required human reviewers as of 2022 That's manual by any reasonable description.

I think it depends on how much each human reviewer did. If they manually reviewed most of the items on each shopping trip, then it's mostly manual. If they only manually reviewed an item or few per trip, I'd consider it to be mostly automated.

Well Amazon did not think so:

> Amazon’s internal goals of reaching less than 50 reviews per 1,000 sales.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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I can't wait for food to be expensive and the ewaste from supplying an rfid chip with every tomato and potato

peel off the RFID tags from the expensive vine ripened tomatoes and replace them with tags from the really cheap ones (people already do this with the plastic stickers)

Another word for this is "theft"

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Wal-Mart tried it here in Canada for a bit, but it didn't last long at all.

US side Sam's Club (same Sam Walton) has scan-as-you-shop.

So does Walmart+ (the membership program which also gives a better deal for home delivery). I am curious whether this is going to stay or not, now that in some Walmarts the self-checkouts (where you're still obliged to stop and scan a code to complete checkout) aren't open normally.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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If you don't like going to the grocery store pay someone to go get them for you. Thousands of people remotely "following" you around and scanning things for you, just so that you can avoid using self checkout sounds ridiculous and excessive.

So does having somebody sitting next to the checkout machine watching me (directly or through security camera) while I finish my groceries ? I fail to see the major difference with somebody working physically in the shop that makes it ridiculous and excessive. One may even argue that remotely it could opens the job to more people (one could do that from home in their wheelchair while their baby is taking a nap )

There is a difference. In a typical grocery store, people only have to tally what you bought only once at the end during checkout. Where as in this "walk out" system someone has to follow you around "virtually" and keep track of everything you do in the store.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Some of the questionable "grocery store tech" that I have seen Amazon push out:

- "just walk out" - what a joke. just another way to capture more data points on your "shopping habits" and build more meaningful profiles against you. Oh John picked up the "Radical Juice X", let's start pushing out the "GOP" package of ads when John searches on Amazon for products. Prefer products with "red" color.

- "pay with your palm" [at Whole Foods] -- yea, right. I am going to give out my handprint to amazon. piss off

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Stores in earlier times in Norway³ were geared towards convenience¹ for the shopper.

You went in, went up to the counter, told the clerk what you wanted, a series of clarifications, advice and suggestions, then clerk² would fetch your goods, wrap it up all nice for you, handle payment and hand you the goods.

All you did was request what you needed, got advice, paid for it and off you go⁴

Then came the supermarkets.

Suddenly every customer was a mouse running in a maze trying to find the cheese, milk, washing powder and whatever else. Endlessly walking up and down every isle desperately seeking what they needed. Then the customer had to accumulate all the products into bags or carts, Push or carry it all to the cash register. Where one person (per register) would sit on their ass, add it all up, you paid, you bagged, and you were on your way.

A lot of customers did not like that at all. It wasn't rational. In the old system the clerk at a store knew where everything was. It was not necessary for ever customer to memorize and learn every store they went to in order to go shopping. It was a massive inconvenience for everyone, except for the person at the register who was sitting comfortably.

These days, not only must you hunt in the maze, push it to the counter, now you must also do the checking out yourself.

Finally, the companies have outsourced all the labor to the customers themselves and they are happy about it.

There are of course still stores that operate the old way. but they are in the minority in most places.

When I read about it the first time it felt so backwards. It more convenient to be able to grab what you need and be on your way. Then as I was running up and down isles trying to find what I need i started noticing and thinking about it.

I dont really think it is rational that everyone has to do all that walking and hunting.

Perhaps with robots we can be back to the old ways.

But really the old system is back in places where you order things online and go pick it up, all picked by clerks, all you need to do is pay and be on your way. and I love it.

When it comes to groceries and many other products they will even deliver it to your house. Its how I get most of my groceries as well as other stuff.

Now I can sit on my ass, and I have outsourced all of that back to the store.

The old becomes new sometimes. In fact often.

I would be interested in a study that calculated what amount of our lives on average spent walking around in stores trying desperately to find what you need.

¹ It may not match what we think of as convenience today. ² The clerk may work on his own, or there might be more than one, there might be people working in the back fetching things from storage. But your point of contact would be the clerk. Of course often the owner in smaller stores. ³ Probably in most other places as well. ⁴

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this might be my first comment here heh. i've worked on a similar product before. there's no way they were turning a profit. they definitely missed stuff all the time even with a ton of sensors. and sensors aren't the only cost. annotation is by far the most costly operational expense. new product? needs several annotated photos and recalibrated weight sensors. merchant decides to put Christmas branding on the same U…

are larger image/video models unable to catch things like Christmas branding?

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Lots of services would be phenomenal when you can offload much of the cost to run them to cheap offshore labor. Remember how great Uber and Doordash were when much of the cost of operating was offset by underpaid workers and VC funds? Now that they don't have unlimited piles of money and cities/states are making them pay more fair wages, the cost-benefit of those services has diminished. I was ok paying $5 for $20 of…

I wish it could all be managed intelligently; I'm hungry but I can wait, let orders collect and make them all at once or something. Dominos had this down pat twenty years ago, how come everything with an app is so much more expensive?

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I recently finished a book called "The Secret Life of Groceries" by Benjamin Lorr. Amazing book. I learned that grocery and supermarket stores of the past, seemed to have worked very hard to give the best customer experience possible. Today it feels that customer experience has been replaced by cost cutting. Self checkout has been rife with problems, internally and socially, but supermarkets keep pushing them. I can…

> Today it feels that customer experience has been replaced by cost cutting

This seems to be true of all businesses, and I really hate it. Flying sucks, trying to reach a human for any reason sucks, lines are huge everywhere. Life just seems a lot more stressful purely to put a few extra bucks in shareholders' pockets.

Re: Amazon ditches 'just walk out' checkouts at its grocery stores

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Yeah, the "if anything goes wrong you now stand around with your thumb up your ass while one employee makes their way from broken kiosk to broken kiosk to manually resolve the problems" model has soured me on self-checkout. I find I have a very low "dealing with this bullshit" limit, to the point that if I have trouble I'm likely to just say fuck it and walk out of the store without completing my purchase.

Having used the UK/US type self checkout machines while travelling, I must say it is so nice to live in Northern Europe where the self checkout machines are largely just based on trust, with randomly sampling ~five items of every 100 shoppers. There is no weighing at any of the stores. If you don't get randomly selected for inspection, there is nothing stopping you from just walking out with groceries you didn't pay…

I’ve never been nor seen anyone in the US get inspected at a self checkout. Not once.
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