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Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by mindcandy »

immibis wrote: post #188
astrange wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's the sign they're being sensible, since the thing you want is illegal in most countries.

I looked this up and apparently the controversy is that Stable Diffusion was trained on child porn? How can the model itself not be considered objectionable material then? Does the law not apply some kind of transitive rule to this? And don't they want to arrest someone for having the child porn to train it on?

To say it was “trained on child porn” is just about the most “well, technically….” thing that can be said about anything.

Several huge commercial and academic projects scraped billions of images off of the Internet and filtered them best they knew how. SD trained on some set of those and later some researchers managed to identify a small number of images classified as CP were still in there.

So, out of the billions of images, was there greater than zero CP images? Yes. Was it intentional/negligent? No. Does it affect the output in any significant way? No. Does it make for internet rage bait and pitchforking? Definitely.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by samstave »

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

>Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan

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This is most likely the reason being the SAMA firing, to be able to re-align to the MIC without terrible consequence, from a PR perspective.

no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected...

And the MIC is where all the unscrupulous monies without audits will come from.

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Post by shwaj »

hruzgar wrote: post #236
spxneo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know it never ceases to amaze me how even the most respected fall prey to this money laundering scheme. If people even spent some time to read about Tether they would not touch this stuff. It's blood money.

Do you even know the tech behind crypto? Just because scammers and similar people use and promote it, doesn't make it a bad technology at all.

Tether isn’t crypto though, in the sense of being decentralized, permissionless, etc

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Post by hanniabu »

kalkr wrote: post #219
vishnugupta wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Decentralised" AI probably means something to do with crypto. Like mint this ocin to get access to that model? That's my guess.

decentralization != coinshit

If you want sustainability it does

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Post by blensor »

jack_riminton wrote: post #206
blensor wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we sure that Midjourney is still on that trajectory? I was a heavy user since the beginning but my usage has dropped to almost 0

I think you're a sample size of one

I mean of course I am a sample size of one when I am speaking about my own experience?

That's why I asked that question to see if others notice something similar or if that's just me

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

huytersd wrote: post #41
Satam wrote: post #18

The underlying reason is that current AI businesses and models are failing to capture any significant economic value. We're going to get there, but it will take some more work. It won't be decades, but a few more years would be helpful

OpenAI and midjourney have millions of paying customers.

Yeah, but not sure if OpenAI is profitable yet (they lost $500M last year), and costs are rising, and competition increasing.

GPT-4 cost $100M+ to train (Altman), but Dario Amodei has said next-gen models may cost $1B to train, and $10B models are not inconceivable.

I'd guess OpenAI's payroll is probably $0.5B (770 highly paid employees + benefits, not to mention hundreds of contractors creating data sets).

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Post by MyFirstSass »

samstave wrote: post #312
JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan - This is most likely the reason being the SAMA firing, to be able to re-align to the MIC without terrible consequence, from a PR perspective. no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected... And the MIC is where all…

> no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected...

What exactly do you mean with this sentence? That less woke/regulated companies will suddenly leapfrog the giants now? What timeframe are we talking here?

And do you mean for example non public mil applications from US/China or whatever or private models from unknown players?

One thing i've been wondering is that if GPT-4 was 100 mil to train, then there's really a lot of plutocrats, despots, private companies and states for that matter that could in principle 10x that amount if they really wanted to go all in, and maybe they are right now?

The bottleneck is the talent pool out there though, but i'm sure there's a lot people out there from libertarians to nation states that don't care about alignment at all, which is potentially pretty crazy / exciting / worrying depending on view.

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Post by alephnerd »

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training

Kinda. In my experience, the bigger issue is the skillset has largely been diffused.

Overtraining on internal corpora has been more than enough to enable automation benefits, and the ecosystem around ML is very robust now - 10 years ago SDKs like Scikit-learn or PyTorch were much less robust than they are now. Implementing commercial grade SVM or is fairly straightforward now.

ML models have largely been commodified, and for most usecases, the process of implementing models fairly straightforward internally.

IMO, the real value will be on the infrastructural side of ML - how to simply and enhance deployment, how to manage API security, how to manage multiple concurrent deployments, how to maximize performance, etc.

And I have put my money where my mouth is for this thesis, as it is one that has been validated by every peer of mine as well.

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