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> The Catholic church has not only engaged in centuries of religious scholarship, it has given the knowledge freely to anyone. They even set up buildings where you can go and they will teach you what they have found, most people go on Sunday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Apostolic_Archive Also, one of the biggest issues that Martin Luther had with Cat…
On the otherhand measuring and organization like the Catholic church and judging it today by its worst behavior over 500 years ago (while ignoring the environment it was in at the time no one ever mentions the Muslim conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, and the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople going on concurrently) and ignoring the massive changes in teaching, theology and behavior that has happened in the interveni…
…as OpenAI is only a few years old, wasn't the first few years of Christianity, before Catholicism split from other denominations, "oh no, we need to stop our converts committing suicide immediately because they want to get out of their awful lives and into the heaven we promised them and they're afraid they might sin again between baptism and death if they don't off themselves"?
Even with the weird end of the "Rapture of the Nerds" (the attitude not the book, I've not read the book), I don't think we're seeing so much of that resulting from AI development. And that's despite more users than there were Europeans in 1500 AD, let alone 1 AD.
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Money is just a unit of accounting. Land is still just as important, as is labour. And in any case, capital is accumulated money. In the end these all amount to power, and capability to direct that power towards a goal. Even if AGI becomes some form of new capital, it is still the same as capital as we know it today. Until the day humanity transcends and we no longer face the human condition of course.
> Land is still just as important "Important", but not "just as important". Land used to be synonymous with wealth, because you needed land to support the peasants who grew the surplus that fed your army. Now? Now we have enough spare land to have national parks and substantial re-wilding programs. Labour is still important, but also not "just as important" — all the improvements from each of the three industrial rev…
If humans really do become completely redundant, then maybe we've reached the end state of humanity and might as well just die out.
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So, almost like, gasp, union ?
In this case the "union" plundered the non-profit. Just because workers did it doesn't make it good.
A non profit is subject to labor markets just as well. They can't just go back on their implicit payment deals, in this case the payment of equity, and expect that nobody will complain.
Those employees worked under terms of employment that included the expectation that the equity would be worth something.
If openAI didn't like that, then they should have paid them in cash, without the equity.
Its not plundering to use your own labor and market power to collectively bargain for yourself.
The only thing that matters is Sam Altman at the helm gives us the fastest path to actual useful AGI. Don’t listen to doomer logic
Where are people getting all the confidence they place in Sam Altman as a leader of a science/engineering effort? From my understanding, he has been a successful fundraiser and investor and that's kind of it. Those are real and valuable skills, but they don't seem so relevant to the task at hand. Or is the statement that Sam Altman will keep OpenAI funded (so somebody else can lead the work)?
Sam Altman doesn't have to write a line of code to make OpenAI successful.
Instead, all he has to do is not intentionally sabotage the efforts of the engineers, via overly doomsday predictions of diamond nanobots or skynet that result in OpenAI not releasing a product because of false claims about "safety".
The problem with OpenAI, and their biggest weakness, has always been that many of the original people there were ideologically captured by what is effectively a doomsday cult.
So all Sam has to do, is not fall into that trap, and instead have the company lead and run by bog standard tech employees, and OpenAI will be able to release great products that will change the world.
He just needs to press the "release" button on all their projects, and OpenAI will be fine.
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Kinda. We've invented many things to control and/or kill bees.
We killed off a very large percentage of wild bees with pesticides and land “development” and keep one subspecies in artificial colonies and harvest their most prized outputs while controlling their rate of reproduction and even their queens. We also mass murder colonies when they are in any way inconvenient to a single human. If anyone hopes AI will treat people like we do other species they’re not thinking very har…
And that doesn't even get to the level of indifference we have towards plants.
I don't really know "the answer," just reflecting on how we domesticate other beings and what might happen if some being or thing (e.g., AI) decided to domesticate (or enslave) us.
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> As somebody completely ignorant of the inner workings of the legal trade, can somebody explain what this means? Does this mean a group of informed humans reviewed 30k docs? At least in some cases, that means they paid a bunch of law grads from low-tier schools much less than you'd expect to read boring documents all day against some instructions to flag "interesting" things.
Funny to me that they’d pay grad students instead of using AI to summarize.
It's not grad students, it's graduates. There is/was an oversupply of law school graduates, so many can't find better legal work than document review (with no chance of advancement).
Also, my knowledge of this is somewhat old, so they may use more technology for stuff like this, though I doubt they use much "AI."
It's sad to see many comments here assume that Sam was at fault for something without really knowing what happened behind the scenes. Let's try not to jump to conclusions, as hard as that may be. And if you're actively wishing people to fail, then I ask you to try to understand where that stems from. If you think Openai should be run differently, and if you have the inclination, I genuinely encourage you to build a c…
I assume many people who want OpenAI to fail want to whole AGI program in general to fail, at least for a few decades longer. A competitor won't help, it'll plausibly make it worse.
And then I hope people will invest in a truly open technology that truly benefits everyone.
The only thing that matters is Sam Altman at the helm gives us the fastest path to actual useful AGI. Don’t listen to doomer logic